Out of all of the ppl that have taken it on here, what results did you notice if any? Is it a PH or not?
I did the natabolic stack in early January. It was good, I actually think the formadrol was the best part. Overall it made me leaner. I did get good strength increases, but I don't have my notebook with me right now. I didn't have any sides while running it.
I love the convenience of a one box, preplanned stack, but I'm glad I found this forum before I bought anything else. I am 2 weeks into an AMS ph stack and am very pleased. Very similar amount of money.
I ran two bottles of it and strength gains were very solid and it also made me eat more which I gained 4lbs of muscle while looking muscular,fuller,and lean
i did like the gains but it took 10 caps/day to see effects for me
From what i've seen those that use 6 or less caps don't see much, those that use 8-10 see some nice effects. Appreciate the support!
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Though it's not a prohormone, it does bind to androgen receptors. At higher doses it would be as if there where higher levels of androgen external androgens in the body possibly causing mild suppression. This would be the reason behind the reccomendation to run an OTC PCT.
It's flirting with "natural mentality" since it can fool the body in thinking it has higher then what is naturally possible beyond that of a natural testbooster which would still keep you within natural limits. It is a natural supplement but for if one wishes to stay within their natural limits this would be flirting with that line.
But from all accounts it's a solid supplement that seems to work in a dose dependent manner. I havent tried it but I have thought about it. I actually have a bottle that was given to me...but I may trade it for something else later down the line.
Not PH results, but one of the few "Natty" Products i could get results from other than being overly horny (natty test boosters)
nice feedback so far
Similar experience here, not PH level, but better than most "natty" supps for strength/mass gains. I ran it at 6-8 caps, using the Natabolic stack. I bought 3 more bottles of Natadrol by itself to run again later at 8-10 caps.
The only other thing I've taken lately that gives me similar results are bulbine natalensis products. I've used Tropinol, Testalensis, and PhytoSerms-347. The Phyto-Serms delivered the most strength/mass gains of the 3, while Tropinol was better for aggression in the gym.
But back to the point of the thread, Ive heard rave reviews when it comes to Natadrol and strength/recomp.
Really though, I'd be interested in stacking PhytoSerms with Natadrol, I wonder how that would work out... It may help with any minimal shutdown noticed with Natadrol, and give a boost in strength/mass even further.
Can someone who is better versed with Natadrol's MOA comment on this?
Another idea is to introduce Phyto maybe the last 1-2 weeks to kick start production and allow for a longer natty cycle with consistent strength gains.
Hmmm... I wasn't quite clear on the MOA for Natadrol then. I know stuff like Testofen is a phyto-testosterone (binds to receptors), but didn't think cissus did. An interesting point, perhaps someone with better knowledge on cissus and the other components of Natadrol can chime in as you suggested...
But I do agree the PhytoSerm could help recovery afterwards, may be the best bang for the buck, and help extend the strength gains. Good thoughts!