PES erase, cortisol and lean xtreme
- 05-18-2011, 02:11 AM
PES erase, cortisol and lean xtreme
I have been reading on many boards thatis agreat natural AI, substantially reduces cortisol and can give a slight rise in test. I have always had problem with love handles and lower belly so this seems like a perfect product for me.
Prior to hearing about this I used a product called which contains these 2 ingrediants (5-AT (5-Etioallocholen-3b,7b,17b-tiol), 7OH (3b,7b-dihydroxy-5-Etioallocholen-17-one) . Its a non stim that claims to lower cortisol.
My main question is will the Androst-3,5-dien-7,17-dione have the same effect as the with added benefits?? I am planning on using DAA year round so this seems perfect to stack with it. Although I have seen good results with lean Xtreme if this product does the same thing plus raise test and lower estrogen I Would much rather go with that stacked with the DAA
Basically will ERASE have the same effect of LX with added bonuses?
- 05-18-2011, 03:17 AM
Lowering cortisol will not increase lipolysis.
The reason lowering cortisol is sought after in cutting phases is it allows the user to better maintain muscle mass. And for this reason I do think keeping cortisol in control is essential, especially because cortisol tends to rise when you are cutting.
Reducing estrogen such as with an AI like Erase will allow you to slow down fat storage, especially in those areas.
But what you really want to target fat loss in those areas is Alpha-T2. It contains Rauwolscine. This ingredient turns off fat storing mechanisms in your midsection, love handles, lower back, etc. Also, it upregulates fat burning in these same places.
This is the reason we so often recommend the Alpha-T2 + Erase stack. It hits every angle of a perfect fat loss stack, and would be perfect for your goals.
Here is the dosing on the stack
2-3 caps of Erase per day, spread out, with or without food
1-2 Alpha-T2 on an empty stomach, 30 minutes before breakfast
1 Alpha-T2 on an empty stomach 6-8 hours later.
- 05-18-2011, 03:28 AM
In biosignature, love handles are correlated with high insulin levels, and a general inability to handle carbs. Once i drop carb intake, I notice a significant reduction in love handles/spare tire region. Adding in the Alpha T-2 to a lower carb diet gives a 1-2 punch to those stubborn areas.
05-18-2011, 11:50 AM
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05-18-2011, 12:05 PM
Hey thanks for your posts. The main reason I though cortisol was the main culprit was the fact I reacted so well to Lean Xtreme. Any other reasons why that product seems to target these areas?? Also I agree with the carbs, my body responds AMAZING to keto diets, after the initial 2 week period I have great energy, no lethargy and amazingly enough my appetite is really suppressed and Im not hungry all the time. This time around I am trying to keep some carbs in and go for a recomp and maybe add alil muscle. TO be honest this diet isnt exactly working out. It seems keeping the carbs in my diet just make me want more carbs and I cant controll myself and end up cheating. I am looking into picking up some oxy elite pro to help this. SO it looks like I am going to go with OEP,Erase and Alpha t2.
05-18-2011, 12:10 PM
05-18-2011, 12:25 PM
I will, I have a log going on over at IntenseMuscle with the same SN, maybe ill copy and paste my posts and start a log here when I start this stack. Prob June 1st. Ill prob throw in DAA also, its so cheap I figure why not
05-18-2011, 12:38 PM
Also I have some pics up in my log and you can see waht Im talkign about. My front shot and back shot look like 2 diff people, its really weird. my upper torso is pretty vascular and I look decent, but from behind I have huge love handles and look really out of shape. I guess its a catch 22. My upper torso is pretty much always lean and looks good even when at a high BF, but my lower abs and back are really hard to bring out even at a low BF
My log is "From zero to hero"
05-18-2011, 02:12 PM
For the price you cannot go wrong with Erase. I also really like Endoamp Max. If you want to go really cheap, just get Vitamin C tabs and start reading up on it's benefits.
05-18-2011, 02:12 PM
Studies have shown that a relationship of cortisol & insulin to sex hormones in favor of the former leads to increased fat mass. (1) Increased fat mass (especially in the abdominal region), has been linked to the conversion of DHT to inactive metabolites. (2)
If you have a bad diet, you increase the amount of circulating insulin, which can lead to fat accumulation. Fat accumulation leads to the deactivation of DHT and Testosterone (increased aromatase), which causes its own slew of problems. Of course, the problem can start with low testosterone, which is why having blood tests done if you cant correct the issue is the best option.
1. The regulation of adipose tissue distribution in humans.
2. Androgen inactivation and steroid-converting enzyme expression in abdominal adipose tissue in men
05-18-2011, 04:42 PM
05-18-2011, 08:58 PM
Wondering why you guys decided not to use 3,5 as well. From what I have read it seems to be more potent and the body usually stabilizes within days
10-08-2011, 02:56 PM
Carb cycling such as a keto type diet? About to pick up a bottle of erase and am looking for a good diet to go with it.Originally Posted by nattydisaster
Sorry to the op not trying to hijack.
10-08-2011, 03:42 PM
If you're looking to cut up I would probably throw Alpha-T2 in there to stack with Erase. That stack on a low carb diet is pretty much a fat incinerator.
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10-09-2011, 01:38 PM
Same thing as metabolic, right? Metabolic is just the updated version from Dr. Pasquale...?Originally Posted by nattydisaster
There a name for the one youre on? Or is it just your own creation for you?
10-09-2011, 01:42 PM
Righteous! Thanks bro! Gotta get rid of these muthaeffin love handles!Originally Posted by kevinhy
10-09-2011, 09:22 PM
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