RPN Havoc PCT???

[danzd]

Don't know too much beside the obvious when it comes to taking PH's, but plan on starting a cycle of RPN Havoc. I have everything i need for the cycle, except a PCT. I'm not beginning untill i have a PCT in my hand either. My question is, I'm aware the best route would be to use a SERM preferably nolva with this supp, but would it be detrimental to my gains to use a OTC PCT? I'd rather not have to put another drug in my body if i could go with a natural PCT, but will do what i have to do. Thanks.

 

[StangBanger]

someone more experienced will chime in but from the research Ive done you'd be a fool to not have a serm on hand jic. they are easily had and inexpensive insurance.

 

[danzd]

good point, but like i said if i could get away with using a supplement instead of a drug i would much prefer it.

 

[fightclub2012]

google research chemicals torem, clomid or nolva. otc pct wont get your hpta up and running quick enough . imo serm with otc

 

[Atreyubeat]

google research chemicals torem, clomid or nolva. otc pct wont get your hpta up and running quick enough . imo serm with otc

This. I would go with Clomid since it is one of the proven serms to get your HPTA back up and running. I used it for my PCT, and a week after PCT, I can say I am good to go. Had bloodwork done and all checks out. In hindsight, I would go with Nolva, and a lower dosage of Clomid, I did not enjoy the sides of the Clomid at higher dosages. Just mental side effects but I wasn't expecting them to be as bad as they were. You are gonna love that run. How are you planning on running it?

 

[danzd]

gona run it solo 20/20/30/40. its my first cycle so i wana ease my way in rather than begin stacking other things too. thanks for the help, i have quick access to both clomid and nolva so ill take your advice.

 

[fightclub2012]

gona run it solo 20/20/30/40. its my first cycle so i wana ease my way in rather than begin stacking other things too. thanks for the help, i have quick access to both clomid and nolva so ill take your advice.

or you could run it at 20/30/30/40 or 30/30/30/30 most see solid results at 30/30/40/40

 

[danzd]

i might try 20/30/30/40, gona cycle again in the future i wana gauge the strength and how my body reacts to it. ill go for 30/30/40/40 next time

 

[Atreyubeat]

or you could run it at 20/30/30/40 or 30/30/30/30 most see solid results at 30/30/40/40

This for sure. Good advice right here. Much better results. I wish I would of had enough for that 30/30/40/40. Goddamn that would have been even better!

 

[fightclub2012]

This for sure. Good advice right here. Much better results. I wish I would of had enough for that 30/30/40/40. Goddamn that would have been even better!

40 seems to be the sweet spot for most
:usa:

 

[bikeswimlive]

Since you want to go minimal serm. I've read a ton of info discussing the need to use a serm at a much lower dose if you pair it with something like the TRS.

 

[sking6464]

^^^^ torem + trs, or even torem + tcf1/testforce

nolva is crap, clomid is decent but not as good as torem

 

[danzd]

ok finally ordered my nolva, went with innovative research instead of a personal source since there was no price comparison. two questions that i probably should have asked before starting the cycle: does anyone on here have first hand experience with innovative research? and if for some reason it doesnt come in the next 3 weeks (when my cycle will be finished) how long do i have before i should start worrying and getting something myself?

 

[sking6464]

you should be worrying now seeing you started without a good plan

 

[danzd]

like i said, i have a personal connection. but i would rather not spend $50 on tamox when i just bought it for like 30.

 

[StangBanger]

like i said, i have a personal connection. but i would rather not spend $50 on tamox when i just bought it for like 30.

If $20 is that a big a deal, not sure how you are doing the rest of this.

 

[danzd]

no it would be an extra $50. i just spent $30 online, plus another $50 if it arrives late and need to buy it off someone else. that would equal $80. and neither one of you answered my questions: Does anyone have experience with Inov research? and how long do i have before i would start noticing hpta shutdown symptoms IF i decided to wait for my nolva to arrive.

 

[sking6464]

 

[sking6464]

no it would be an extra $50. i just spent $30 online, plus another $50 if it arrives late and need to buy it off someone else. that would equal $80. and neither one of you answered my questions: Does anyone have experience with Inov research? and how long do i have before i would start noticing hpta shutdown symptoms IF i decided to wait for my nolva to arrive.

what does your ancilleries look like???? curious after all the pricing of nolva talk

 

[danzd]

what does your ancilleries look like???? curious after all the pricing of nolva talk

hes selling 20 mg tabs, which is another reason i dont wana go with him... tapering down to 10 mgs will be a hassle. I have a bottle of recycle which i was gona pair up with a resveratrol supp originally.. but after talking to guys who use at the place i work out at they said they usually lost 50% of their gains using otc ****. the reason i waited so long was because i knew no matter what i have one guy selling nolva and clomid and another guy who sells a ****load of arimedex out of the gym, i figured either way i WILL have nolva, but shopped around and talked to people enough to figure out buying online was the best route. 60mls was 30 bucks... couldnt beat it.

on a side note, one of the guys sells anavar, i was lookin to pair up 20mgs of that with weeks 3 and 4 on havoc. bad idea?

 

[sking6464]

hes selling 20 mg tabs, which is another reason i dont wana go with him... tapering down to 10 mgs will be a hassle. I have a bottle of recycle which i was gona pair up with a resveratrol supp originally.. but after talking to guys who use at the place i work out at they said they usually lost 50% of their gains using otc ****. the reason i waited so long was because i knew no matter what i have one guy selling nolva and clomid and another guy who sells a ****load of arimedex out of the gym, i figured either way i WILL have nolva, but shopped around and talked to people enough to figure out buying online was the best route. 60mls was 30 bucks... couldnt beat it.

on a side note, one of the guys sells anavar, i was lookin to pair up 20mgs of that with weeks 3 and 4 on havoc. bad idea?

still didnt answer my question...that n the var idea.....you really need to research a ton more

 

[danzd]

still didnt answer my question...that n the var idea.....you really need to research a ton more

im taking milk thistle dosed at 1200 a day and fish oil around 1800 a day

 

[gymrat827]

up the fish oil, take it with the havoc. It will help the PH absorb and work better. Also great for your heart and joints. I would take 7-10caps of fish oil ED while on

 

[danzd]

up the fish oil, take it with the havoc. It will help the PH absorb and work better. Also great for your heart and joints. I would take 7-10caps of fish oil ED while on

thanks for the advice, ill try that from now on