Seriously Gyno from Trib & Saw Palmetto Need Help Please!!!

[Deadlifter5]

Hey guys,

I'm new here and I'm in almost the exact same situation as Juicy J (tried to post a link to his thread but it didn't allow me ?). I took Trib and Saw Palmetto for 20 days. After 2 weeks I noticed Puffy nipples/gyno (don't ask why I didn't stop then). That was back in March (5-24th), I started with 1g of trib for the first 7-10 days and then went to 2g for the remainder, the saw palmetto stayed at 700mg throughout. Also started taking ZMA for sleep and had my antibiotic (since Nov.) but thats irrelevant.

March was a really weird month, everything seemed to happen that month TONS of stress (since late Feb.), started drinking coffee to help my training/stay awake in school, switched training methods at the end of February- the new one has more frequency so more hormones??, also started bulking HARD- was eating 5000 calorie dinners and tons of junk (dirty bulk), also started drinking in January (didn't drink for 2 years since I started working out) and was drinking in March quite a lot due to stress and some celebrations too, and finally I tried smoking (cigs) on 2 occasions for the first times in my life. So yea this probably compounded what the trib & sawP was doing to me.

Anyway I'm just wondering what I should do now, I've stopped taking trib & saw and stopped doing all that other stupid ****. It's been 3 and a half weeks without any noticeable improvement of my chest, should I just wait for the puffiness to disappear and try to cut? or ask my doc for an anti-estrogen/letro? or will I need surgery? I'm pretty nervous on the idea of taking anti-estrogens let alone surgery. Maybe it will go away on its own?

Additional Info:
- I gained about 15 lbs during the time I was taking trib/bulking since then I've only lost 5 back. I don't really notice any improvement in appearance.
-I'm getting my blood test on Monday- they're testing testosterone, estrogen, and prolactin (asked for progesterone but they gave me prolactin instead).
-Never really had gyno, just some very MINOR puffiness since puberty which was hardly noticeable and wasn't enough to make me embarrassed even at the beach. Now with this I've even stopped wearing some T-shirts and Polos, and try to keep my hoodie on as much as possible
- I've never used any Pro-hormones or steroids in my life or had puffiness/gyno or gyno surgery before.

Thanks for your help!!!

PS If Juicy J is reading this, how is your situation now?

[corsaking]

not clear why you would want to put saw palmetto and tribulus together.and for trib to work to the extent that it has for you ie 15 ilbs but reading into your post , i suggest that the gain was from calories from alcohol and not the tribulus Alcohol also encourages "estrogen. Whilest the liver is working hard to detoxify the body , it is not clearing estrogen .

Have you gained fat around the waist ?
it looks like to me that the excess calories from food and drink have been more than required and your puffyness is accumalation of fat from over indulging

[Deadlifter5]

not clear why you would want to put saw palmetto and tribulus together.and for trib to work to the extent that it has for you ie 15 ilbs but reading into your post , i suggest that the gain was from calories from alcohol and not the tribulus Alcohol also encourages "estrogen. Whilest the liver is working hard to detoxify the body , it is not clearing estrogen .

Have you gained fat around the waist ?
it looks like to me that the excess calories from food and drink have been more than required and your puffyness is accumalation of fat from over indulging

Yea I didn't even know it was a bad combo till now, I should have done more research. Also didn't even know alcohol impairs your ability to get rid of estrogen. I stopped doing both now.

I gained some fat in the waist and some in chest, but because of the the puffyness it's the chest that really looks bad, not my waist.

I'm wondering what I should do right now? I hear there's some kind of window of time to get rid of this thing.

[Rodja]

Could just be estrogenic chest fat. I highly, highly, highly doubt that it is gyno from trib and saw palmetto.

[Deadlifter5]

Could just be estrogenic chest fat. I highly, highly, highly doubt that it is gyno from trib and saw palmetto.

But even so, what should I do to get rid off it? cut? take an anti-estrogen?
Is that kind of fat hard to get rid of?

[Rodja]

It's just extra fat. Don't be so gluttonous and it'll go away.

[corsaking]

But even so, what should I do to get rid off it? cut? take an anti-estrogen?
Is that kind of fat hard to get rid of?

accept your overweight and get on that treadmill

[Deadlifter5]

It's just extra fat. Don't be so gluttonous and it'll go away.

The thing that leads me to believe it is not just fat is the puffiness of the nipples. I've gained weight many times before with practically no change in nipple appearance but now there is a huge difference. I want to believe its just fat and I can loose it but something tells me its more serious than that.

I'm trying to cut now btw, I'll update you guys when I get down to my old weight (205). And I should get my blood test back Wednesday or Thursday so we'll see where my estrogen is at.

This really sucks balls.

PS There's no estrogen-like compounds in those phytoberry antioxidant powders are there?

[blackscorp]

Puffy nipples does NOT = gyno. It can be anything! Bloat, fat, anything. If you have a lump under the nipple that = gyno. You probably gained a good amount of weight which can add some extra fat around ur nips lol

[HondaV65]

Gyno from Tribulus?

YOU CANNOT BE SERIOUS!!??

[Deadlifter5]

Puffy nipples does NOT = gyno. It can be anything! Bloat, fat, anything. If you have a lump under the nipple that = gyno. You probably gained a good amount of weight which can add some extra fat around ur nips lol

I really, really hope you're right.

[broons]

everytime someone claims trib gave them Gyno, a puppy dies. Please don't kill puppies.....

trib didn't give u puffy nipples. Drinking "quite a bit", gaining 15 lbs in 20 days of Im guessing mostly fat from a "dirty bulk" eating lots of junk are probably what is gave you puffy nipples and probably a little manboob.

[Deadlifter5]

Just got my blood test today, apparently they're also checking my thyroid. I should get the results in a couple days.

Today's my biggest fat loss day I'm going to hit it hard!

[blackscorp]

I really, really hope you're right.

I am buddy. Take your hand place ur fingers on ur nipple. Rub around in a circular motion. If you feel a noticable bump, then yes you have gyno. If you feel nothing you are fine.

Sometimes you can get gyno from puberty.

[Deadlifter5]

I am buddy. Take your hand place ur fingers on ur nipple. Rub around in a circular motion. If you feel a noticable bump, then yes you have gyno. If you feel nothing you are fine.

Sometimes you can get gyno from puberty.

Well I'm no doctor, but I don't feel a bump. Still puffy nipples or whatever is annoying and looks like ****. Can't wait to squat tomorrow and burn some more fat, BW is @ 212 now we'll see how this goes.

Thanks for the help! I'll update when I can.

[IronFanatic]

don't forget to do the nipple circular twist-ala rashad evans.

[sking6464]

wow

[krebz]

As if tribulus had any other effect than libido booster

[Flaw]

It appears you got a case of man boobs from the weight you gained. Some guys are unfortunate when they gain some excess weight they gain it in their chest and middle. Instead of mostly in the middle. You may be one of those guys. It's not the trib and saw. Here's my advice, just lose the weight you gained and things should go back to normal.

[swollen87]

the anti-biotic you took coulda played a part.... cipro jumps to mind ...