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    Ok so I have never tried Ecdysterone before but have been interested in it for quite sometime. Now I have always heard the dosing has to be between 400-700mg a day. This has 25mg, is this supposed to be more potent because of the extract and process that made it?
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    Yes because it is 99% purity as opposed to 95% as explained by Vaughn. A search will pull up a lot of info on this subject
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    Quote Originally Posted by MetaBeta View Post
    Yes because it is 99% purity as opposed to 95% as explained by Vaughn. A search will pull up a lot of info on this subject
    I still dont think an increase in actual purity would make up for a such a smaller dose...
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    Now, I read that the oral bioavailabilty of ecdy is not to good at all, and the best is injectable or transdermal. Does anyone know if this is true. I would like to try this product, very interested in adding it to a PCT or a Natty stack down the road..SJ
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    Ecdysterone would be best administered by injection, no doubt about that. However, it is very obvious to users of Ecdy that their bodies are utilizing the ecdy, and getting results.

    The reason for the lower dose of ECDY is in the fact that it is >99% pure. As explained in the write up, Ecdy molecules crystallize at an ever increasing rate past 95% purity. So each % more pure, the more bioavailable and effective the molecules.
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    Quote Originally Posted by VaughnTrue View Post
    Ecdysterone would be best administered by injection, no doubt about that. However, it is very obvious to users of Ecdy that their bodies are utilizing the ecdy, and getting results.

    The reason for the lower dose of ECDY is in the fact that it is >99% pure. As explained in the write up, Ecdy molecules crystallize at an ever increasing rate past 95% purity. So each % more pure, the more bioavailable and effective the molecules.
    Is ecdy water soluble??

    If so can we dissolve the crystals into a water/BA mixture and slam it with an insulin pin IM?
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    Quote Originally Posted by fightbackhxc View Post
    Ok so I have never tried Ecdysterone before but have been interested in it for quite sometime. Now I have always heard the dosing has to be between 400-700mg a day. This has 25mg, is this supposed to be more potent because of the extract and process that made it?
    There's a shiiit ton of dif ecdy supps with dif types of ecdy. The stuff I force is using is the BEST. 75-100mg and you'll be happy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by VaughnTrue View Post
    Ecdysterone would be best administered by injection, no doubt about that. However, it is very obvious to users of Ecdy that their bodies are utilizing the ecdy, and getting results.

    The reason for the lower dose of ECDY is in the fact that it is >99% pure. As explained in the write up, Ecdy molecules crystallize at an ever increasing rate past 95% purity. So each % more pure, the more bioavailable and effective the molecules.
    Vaughn, Bro, I gotta say, very respectable response from you and I want to thank you for that. I expected to get some not so nice responses because my post might have been interpreted by some as being negative toward this product, which IT IS NOT. So much, that I just bought two bottles five minutes ago becuase that is how much I am interested in it. Going to add it to my PH/DS PCT as an extra boost. I am gunna run it at 75 mg a day. Do I need to run it for more then 4 weeks, should i run it for 8..Thanks for any feedback..

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    Quote Originally Posted by StakedCop View Post
    There's a shiiit ton of dif ecdy supps with dif types of ecdy. The stuff I force is using is the BEST. 75-100mg and you'll be happy.
    Yah, I never ran an ecdy product. I tend to use more PH/DS, and I am leaning toward using more natural products now and getting away from that. This is one product, along with Phytoserms 347/Tropinal, that interests me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Orangatang View Post
    Is ecdy water soluble??

    If so can we dissolve the crystals into a water/BA mixture and slam it with an insulin pin IM?
    That would not be sterile. The capsules are not pure ecdy either. Other ingredients are required in the powder for the capsulation process
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    Quote Originally Posted by nattydisaster View Post
    That would not be sterile. The capsules are not pure ecdy either. Other ingredients are required in the powder for the capsulation process
    Damn, so i need pure ecdy unadulterated by the capping process
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    Quote Originally Posted by Orangatang View Post
    Damn, so i need pure ecdy unadulterated by the capping process
    Yea, and you would need to sterilize it
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    Quote Originally Posted by nattydisaster View Post
    Yea, and you would need to sterilize it
    through autoclave procedure or UV or something else?
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    Speaking of Iforce ECDY, I found 2 unopened bottles of Tesobalan V1 are they even worth running, or was it just an under dosed product from the start
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    Could I suspend the ecdy powder and then put it in a topical carier?
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    Quote Originally Posted by cubsfan815 View Post
    Speaking of Iforce ECDY, I found 2 unopened bottles of Tesobalan V1 are they even worth running, or was it just an under dosed product from the start
    Tv1 was the best libido booster I ever tried. Stuff rocks!
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    Quote Originally Posted by VaughnTrue View Post
    Tv1 was the best libido booster I ever tried. Stuff rocks!
    Say no more lol. I remember I bought it when it first came out, then I got lazy and out of working out. I found those, 2 bottle of 6oxo, and a revestrol(sp) V1.

    So same dosage even though its expired? And would it be better stacked with something
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    I liked running Tv1 higher than suggested...I think 6/day had me FLYING, lol. stacking it with Rv1 will be a good stack
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    Quote Originally Posted by Orangatang View Post
    Could I suspend the ecdy powder and then put it in a topical carier?
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    Quote Originally Posted by wheels View Post
    bump
    if you had pure ecdy? yes you could.
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    Quote Originally Posted by VaughnTrue View Post
    I liked running Tv1 higher than suggested...I think 6/day had me FLYING, lol. stacking it with Rv1 will be a good stack
    I gave the Rv1 to a buddy who helped me move a hot tub. I may just try it solo. Im currently doing PES AlphaT2/Shift, so this may help while cutting.

    Thanks for response,
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    Quote Originally Posted by cubsfan815 View Post
    Speaking of Iforce ECDY, I found 2 unopened bottles of Tesobalan V1 are they even worth running, or was it just an under dosed product from the start
    I really liked Testabolan V1 and it actually impressed me when I ran it for my first time a few years ago.
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    i think ill wait to see logs on this one.
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    ecdy has a molecular weight that is much too high to do as a transdermal. sublingual would work, tho.

    theres a lot of filler in the ecdy caps too since its only 25mg per cap. there needs to be significantly more volume to make the capping process work. so it wouldnt work for sublingual/transdermal/or injectable
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    Quote Originally Posted by tnubs View Post
    ecdy has a molecular weight that is much too high to do as a transdermal. sublingual would work, tho.
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    I don't know about the other stuff in the ecdy
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    I thought you guys might find this encouraging

    One study done by Russian scientists suggested that Beta Ecdysterone possesses a wide spectrum of anabolic action on the contractile proteins of the skeletal muscles and also exerts a pronounced influence on physical endurance of animals when training. 2 Another group of Russian researchers looked at the combined effects of ecdysterone and a high protein diet. They found that when athletes combined a high protein diet with Ecdysterone, lean muscle mass increased by 6-7% and body-fat decreased by 10%. 3


    2. Chermynkh, N. S., Shimanovskii, N. L., Shutko, G. V. and Syrov, V. N. (1988) The action of methandrostenolone and ecdysterone on the physical endurance of animals and on protein metabolism in the skeletal muscles. Farmakologia I Toksikogia. 51 (6), 57-60.

    3. Simakin, S. Yu. et al., (1998) The combined use of ecdisten and the product 'Bodrost' during training in cyclical types of sports. Scientific Sports Bulletin. No 2.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tnubs View Post
    ecdy has a molecular weight that is much too high to do as a transdermal. sublingual would work, tho.

    theres a lot of filler in the ecdy caps too since its only 25mg per cap. there needs to be significantly more volume to make the capping process work. so it wouldnt work for sublingual/transdermal/or injectable
    Are you sure the sublingual wouldn't be worth a shot? I use a buccal (basically same as sublingual) delivery method for the resveratrol I take each day. If I were to use the same method I am sure I would get better absorption into the blood stream. Even if only 1-2% of the 25mg makes it into the bloodstream that can still make a difference. My method for the resv. is to mix about 1 Tbsp. water with 1 tsp. lecithin, the resv. and a little bit of stevia and vanilla extract for flavoring. I swish it around in my mouth for up to 5 min. and then swallow. The studies show that with resv. this creates a significantly higher blood spike than through basic oral delivery.

    Just a thought, I may give it a try. It would be frustrating in that there is likely no way to gauge the success or lack thereof with the above method.
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    was wondering why people dont just use grapefruit juice to increase biovailabity and digestion of ECDY?
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    Quote Originally Posted by jayice View Post
    was wondering why people dont just use grapefruit juice to increase biovailabity and digestion of ECDY?
    I do with 2 out of my 4 doses of ecdy.

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    Because your taking Grapefruit juice?????
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    Quote Originally Posted by MetaBeta View Post
    Because your taking Grapefruit juice?????
    No I eat whole grape fruit. I'm not a fan of juice.

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    Hmm the "grapefruit factor"
    I'll have to try this!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by MetaBeta View Post
    Hmm the "grapefruit factor"
    I'll have to try this!!
    There's a lot of research on it I'll see if I can dig some up. I know it's been discussed in depth on here.

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    I've heard of the Grapefruit factor, DHB & Bioperine. Just never thought of combining it with ecdy. Going out now to pick up my couple of ecdy bottles from the post office and snag some grapefruit juice. Still on my first bottle of ecdy and gettin that nice fullness and some muscle hardness. May up this to 4caps a day. Ever do more than 4??
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    Quote Originally Posted by MetaBeta View Post
    I've heard of the Grapefruit factor, DHB & Bioperine. Just never thought of combining it with ecdy. Going out now to pick up my couple of ecdy bottles from the post office and snag some grapefruit juice. Still on my first bottle of ecdy and gettin that nice fullness and some muscle hardness. May up this to 4caps a day. Ever do more than 4??
    No, for is sweet enough for me. I'm have like 4 bottles of testabolinV2 that I'm gonna stack it with in about a month or 2 so I should be well over 100mgs with the Tv2

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    This stuff is amazing. The sense of well being it gives me is unreal.
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    when did you start?
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    Quote Originally Posted by StakedCop View Post
    There's a shiiit ton of dif ecdy supps with dif types of ecdy. The stuff I force is using is the BEST. 75-100mg and you'll be happy.
    have you tried kre-anabolyn? Or any full spectrum extract? Everything I'm being told by a certain few people who specialize in ecdy are telling me oral 20-hydroxy is worthless, and isnt the actual active you look for in the plant.
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    Quote Originally Posted by XJDesertFox View Post
    have you tried kre-anabolyn? Or any full spectrum extract? Everything I'm being told by a certain few people who specialize in ecdy are telling me oral 20-hydroxy is worthless, and isnt the actual active you look for in the plant.
    I've used Mstack, sic fit 300 and Iforce. I force ecdymorph is awesome. Your sources have not used EM?

    Edit- I meant have your sources used ecdymorph? Sorry

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dandelo View Post
    This stuff is amazing. The sense of well being it gives me is unreal.
    Awesome to hear, I got 2 bottles I really really want to use but I am saving them for pct, driving me nuts!

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