Is DAA worth it ?
- 04-02-2011, 04:43 AM
- 04-02-2011, 05:04 AM
IDK, because all I've seen or read is that people like taking it because it brings back their libido and never mentioned anything bad about it.
- 04-02-2011, 05:19 AM
04-02-2011, 05:28 AM
04-02-2011, 07:21 AM
the debate goes on over this but what you might not know is this
D and L versions of amino acids
With the exception of , GABA and glycine, most amino acids exist in either the D or L form. These forms are the mirror images of each other. The L form represents the natural type found in living plants and animal tissues. The L form is used in human protein structures and is more compatible to human biochemistry than the D form. Only phenylalanine can be present in human protein structures in both the D and L forms
04-02-2011, 07:24 AM
There is a comprehensive discussion on it in another thread. Here is a summary of what was concluded.
Although D-Aspartic Acid is excitory to the N-Methyl-D-Asparate receptor the term NMDA agonist and excitotoxin cannot be used interchangeably. This appears to be where the main confusion is.
Some have the view that it is fine until evidence comes out it is actually an excitotoxin whereas others (myself included) prefer to avoid it until it is seen as safe.
As excitotoxin risks are going to have to include long term studies. I would be surprised if something even close to conclusive comes up in the near future.
04-02-2011, 07:35 AM
04-02-2011, 07:50 AM
ive just bought the sodium version and had my first dose yesterday ,i tried THE EGOPHARM version before sometime ago and ran it only for the 12 days as per the study. ILL do the same here.
If you want to be cautious , you could take it with food ,might help i dont know, you could take a divided dose in the day, you could only take it training days only.
from googling theres another form of aspartic acid which seems to be more potent and wilkipedia says this
.N-Methyl-D-aspartic acid or N-Methyl-D-aspartate (NMDA) is an amino acid derivative which acts as a specific agonist at the NMDA receptor mimicking the action of glutamate, the neurotransmitter which normally acts at that receptor. Unlike glutamate, NMDA only binds to and regulates the NMDA receptor and has no effect on other glutamate receptors (such as those for AMPA and kainate). NMDA receptors are particularly important when they become overactive during withdrawal from alcohol as this causes symptoms such as agitation and, sometimes, epileptiform seizures.
whether this has led to some doubt over the safety of daa i dont know.
wilkipeadia also went on to say
Researchers apply NMDA to specific regions of an (animal) subject's brain or spinal cord and subsequently test for the behavior of interest, such as operant behavior. If the behavior is compromised, it suggests the destroyed tissue was part of a brain region that made an important contribution to the normal expression of that behavior. However, in lower quantities NMDA is not neurotoxic.
so it looks as though some confusion may have come from articles like this.
Amuscle warfare product contains both versions
NMDA Proprietary Blend: 230 mg
NMDA Amino Acid Hormonal Amplifying Matrix: 35 mg
(Testosterone, Growth Hormone, IGF-1 & IGF-2 Stimulator/NMDA Sythetase Methyl Donor Cofactors)
D-Aspartic Acid *
it was a toss up between fadogia and this , perhaps i should have gone for that .
04-02-2011, 03:46 PM
I only take 2g;s instead of 3.12 and i do it with my last meal of the day. Ive noticed improved libido. Id buy it again, its also really cheap.
04-02-2011, 03:51 PM
It does have effects on the NMDA though, which is concerning to a lot of people
Is 2-4 weeks of 3g DAA going to give you long term side effects? I highly doubt it
I think one would be concerned if they were taking DAA for extended periods or constantly cycling it.
04-02-2011, 03:55 PM
Anyone else find it ironic they'll debate the safety of DAA, but have no issues using SERMs, AIs, and AAS?
M.Ed. Ex Phys
04-02-2011, 03:56 PM
People are concerned about the safety of DAA, yet they will load up on designer oral steroids with not a care in the world....
04-02-2011, 03:58 PM
04-02-2011, 04:11 PM
04-02-2011, 04:38 PM
04-02-2011, 04:42 PM
04-02-2011, 04:48 PM
04-02-2011, 04:55 PM
The fact is that you're really debating semantics when it comes to health issues. AAS, AIs, and SERMs all have inherent risks, but you've chosen to conveniently ignore them.
M.Ed. Ex Phys
04-02-2011, 04:59 PM
LOOOOOOOOL Synthollllllllll ???????
Who was talking about syntholll ?????? They were talking about steroids, and Greg used a ton of steroids ! man looks like you don't even know Greg's bio ! I have met Greg in venice golds, he is an awesome healthy man
Ok watch this now
YouTube - The Gregory Mantell Show -- Boeving: "I Use Steroids"
04-02-2011, 05:15 PM
Valentino is known mainly because of his ridiculous usage of synthol. That's why I brought it up. What point are you trying to make? You're using hearsay from biased individuals to try to make your case that you can use whatever you'd like with only slight risks.
Seriously, you act like a child that throws a fit when someone doesn't agree with them.
Do you need me to post all of the empirical data about the dangers of AAS, AIs, and SERMs? Is that the only way to shut you up?
M.Ed. Ex Phys
04-02-2011, 07:03 PM
I've stimulated more NMDA receptors typing this post than I could from ingesting a normal amount of DAA.
04-02-2011, 07:09 PM
Will stacking DAA to my stack of nolva/clomid/torem/atd/clen/eca/slimX pct cause negative side effects? Was thinking of running it all for 2 years just to be safe and make sure my natty test levels get normal and I dont grow big boobs at the same time get some leaning effects.
If DAA will make me sick then Ill pass for sure. Thanks.
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04-02-2011, 07:28 PM
04-03-2011, 06:15 AM
04-03-2011, 06:38 AM
any deviation from that study is down to the individual user or the supplemt company putting it out.at the said dose
why anyone would want to do their own thing beats me , when the study conclusion is that it raises testosterone in this short time.
this period may also prevent other issues like estrogen rising to cause concern and brain issues-just a thought.
04-03-2011, 07:49 AM
04-03-2011, 11:37 AM
Thank you for posting this, especially since it was a link to the full article!
04-03-2011, 03:43 PM
04-04-2011, 05:03 AM
I don't know what all the fuss is or why people are so worried about DAA when you have people injecting themselves with steriods and ph's and other crap. Just either do the **** or don't and if you do, don't abuse it.
04-06-2011, 05:18 PM
04-07-2011, 06:20 AM
although ive used daa twice for the 12 day period, it only occurred to me on the last use . that the amount of increase it claims to produce ,is in TOTAL testosterone and not FREE testosterone.
the amount of free test is determined by shbg- Sex hormone-binding globulin
Testosterone and estradiol circulate in the bloodstream, bound mostly to SHBG and to some degree bound to serum albumin. Only a small fraction is unbound, or "free," and thus biologically active and able to enter a cell and activate its receptor. The SHBG inhibits the function of these hormones. Thus, bioavailability of sex hormones is influenced by the level of SHBG-from wilkipedia
so unless we get our levels checked , its total guesswork on how much total testosterone increases per individyual user and of that total , how much of it relates to free testosterone which is the bit that counts.
This doesnt just apply to daa but i would suggest all products that are promoted to boost testosterone levels-just my view
so to get the most from our own level of natural test , should we not be looking at ways to lower shbg through herbal products , rather than trying to boost our own which for the reasons above seems to be non productive.
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