Intraworkout drinks necessary?

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  1. Quote Originally Posted by nattydisaster View Post
    That is true. I guess the maltodextrin added is for a more "delayed release" of sugar as well
    You must be talking about the bottled drink? I can't find the ingredients of the bottled mix online but I know in the past the powder and the bottle had small ingredient differences. I know in 2010 they got rid of high fructose corn syrup altogether. I have the powder and it does not contain maltodextrin. The one thing I don't like about gatorade is over consumption of electrolytes, especially sodium. Everyone should know that it was developed for athletes and it should be used during intense exercise. Gatorade is perfectly fine letting everyone including sedentary people, drink it like it's just water. From years of working in the gym I saw so many people bringing in gatorade with no other reason then because it was "gatorade". "The athletes drink it!" All that gatorade did was add extra sugar and sodium to their bad diets.

    I like their accelerade line. They really had something going there when they came out with it. 4:1 ratio of carbs to protein with electrolytes. They still make it but haven't seen them market it in a long time. I really don't know why they focus all their marketing on the G series. Accelerade is the one that should be taken before, during, and after.

    Their prime #3 is one of the most disgusting drinks I have ever had. Great it has protein but why the sucralose? Accelerade would be better here. They have recently come out with a natural line finally. With all the sugar already in there there's no need for artificial flavoring or colors. Hopefully someday they will change that too.
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  2. Quote Originally Posted by nattydisaster View Post
    That is true. I guess the maltodextrin added is for a more "delayed release" of sugar as well
    The problem with simple sugars like dextrose and sucrose is that you can't exceed 6-8% solution without osmality going above 303. The sugar will remain in the stomach and can cause stomach distress. This is why most endurance athletes only use maltodextrin which is complex or a blend with little dextrose. You can make a 16-18% solution and have no problems. It also provides betters sustained energy with less crash.
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  3. Quote Originally Posted by Flaw View Post
    You must be talking about the bottled drink? I can't find the ingredients of the bottled mix online but I know in the past the powder and the bottle had small ingredient differences. I know in 2010 they got rid of high fructose corn syrup altogether. I have the powder and it does not contain maltodextrin. The one thing I don't like about gatorade is over consumption of electrolytes, especially sodium. Everyone should know that it was developed for athletes and it should be used during intense exercise. Gatorade is perfectly fine letting everyone including sedentary people, drink it like it's just water. From years of working in the gym I saw so many people bringing in gatorade with no other reason then because it was "gatorade". "The athletes drink it!" All that gatorade did was add extra sugar and sodium to their bad diets.

    I like their accelerade line. They really had something going there when they came out with it. 4:1 ratio of carbs to protein with electrolytes. They still make it but haven't seen them market it in a long time. I really don't know why they focus all their marketing on the G series. Accelerade is the one that should be taken before, during, and after.

    Their prime #3 is one of the most disgusting drinks I have ever had. Great it has protein but why the sucralose? Accelerade would be better here. They have recently come out with a natural line finally. With all the sugar already in there there's no need for artificial flavoring or colors. Hopefully someday they will change that too.

    I have to ask what you are talking about? Gatorade has about 450mg of sodium in a liter (110mg/8oz.) we are not talking that much for the average consumer. This is not an over abundance of electrolytes. In fact, has been one of my main gripes about the races I run using gatorade and powerade at the stations. For comparison: coffee contains approx. 5mg/cup, milk approx 130mg/cup, and water 2mg/cup.

    Sure for a truly lazy person drinking lots of this stuff it can add up. But the sugar/cals will be more of a dangerous culprit as it is essentially a soda for them. But for someone who is somewhat active, it won't near being too much. Ho
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  4. Quote Originally Posted by CopyCat View Post
    I have to ask what you are talking about? Gatorade has about 450mg of sodium in a liter (110mg/8oz.) we are not talking that much for the average consumer. This is not an over abundance of electrolytes. In fact, has been one of my main gripes about the races I run using gatorade and powerade at the stations. For comparison: coffee contains approx. 5mg/cup, milk approx 130mg/cup, and water 2mg/cup.

    Sure for a truly lazy person drinking lots of this stuff it can add up. But the sugar/cals will be more of a dangerous culprit as it is essentially a soda for them. But for someone who is somewhat active, it won't near being too much. Ho
    The average consumer consumes too much sodium! lol. That's what I was talking about. The average consumer is the person that comes into the gym that barely breaks a sweat, let a lone burns the calories that is in the gatorade they are drinking!!! They don't need the extra sodium or the calories.
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  5. Quote Originally Posted by Ev52 View Post
    The problem with simple sugars like dextrose and sucrose is that you can't exceed 6-8% solution without osmality going above 303. The sugar will remain in the stomach and can cause stomach distress. This is why most endurance athletes only use maltodextrin which is complex or a blend with little dextrose. You can make a 16-18% solution and have no problems. It also provides betters sustained energy with less crash.
    Waxy maize I believe is the best alternative to avoid Stomach distress as it passes the stomach very quickly.
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  6. Quote Originally Posted by EasyEJL View Post
    Perhaps. perhaps you are just misunderstanding that making a simple statement of "GH release is lower during times of high insulin levels" doesn't mean that the insulin release is less valuable than the amount of GH "lost" or that either for body composition or fat loss well timed insulin spikes create value. Definitely during bulking the insulin release is more valuable than the GH release. And even on a cut an insulin spike that causes greater anabolic effect during a time period when you have temporary high calories doesn't do more for maintaining muscle mass than may be lost in fat loss from GH
    I feel you on this response. Makes sense based on Goal/Objective...needless to say it can be an elusive/tricky deal figuring out when or how or why to cause a spike to obtain a goal IMO.

  7. Quote Originally Posted by Rebel29073 View Post
    I feel you on this response. Makes sense based on Goal/Objective...needless to say it can be an elusive/tricky deal figuring out when or how or why to cause a spike to obtain a goal IMO.
    and even looking at relatively good studies, some only measure hormone response over a few trials rather than being long term and measuring body comp. So a heightened ____ vs a lowered ____ is nice to know, but does it actually affect mass gain or strength? A good example specifically with insulin/carbs is that although looking at a 2 hour window after end of cardio, doing cardio fasted with no carbs has higher lipolysis. But if midway through cardio you begin taking in a relatively small amount of carbs (I think it was 20g) then your lipolysis over the following 24 hours is raise more than having done the cardio carb free. Does that lipolysis translate into more actual fat loss? Hopefully

  8. I don't think intra workout drinks are necessary but I do think it's a lot of the small things that give us an edge.

    I'm logging purple psyKo now and it's tastes amazing. I've only had a few work outs with it but It's around 35$ at NP for 60 serving. 60 workouts is at leAst two and half months. I spend more on bottled water...


  9. Quote Originally Posted by Rebel29073 View Post
    Waxy maize I believe is the best alternative to avoid Stomach distress as it passes the stomach very quickly.
    I'll second that. No stomach issues with waxy maize. Rilose powder (From rice) is also another good option.
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  10. Quote Originally Posted by Rebel29073 View Post
    I found 2 quickie articles one on insulin spikes and the other on hormones.

    Reading like this would leave one to believe you are prohibiting GH release by spiking your insulin during weight training. The most important point in regards to growth hormone is that growth hormone levels increase significantly when insulin levels are low.

    http://www.betterbodyjournal.com/die...insulin-spikes

    http://fitnessforoneandall.com/nutri...s/part_one.htm

    Am I misunderstanding the articles?
    Well, if that's the case fasted strength training would be the way to go..

    I think this is splitting hairs personally. If you don't need carbs during WO and don't feel any diffference. Don't implement it into your training. If you do feel a benefit with intra carbs and make gains. Why not add it?


    Personally, I eat my last pre-Wo meal at 3pm, take my RPM at 4:30, take a NA-Rala at 5 and start drinking my intra-shake of .5-1cup OJ and 20g BCAA/Creatine/*CAR at 5:30-45 when I start working out. Then another NA-Rala when I finish.

    I save the GH release for bed time I guess. No carbs 2 hours before bed and I sleep like a babe. I've been seeing pretty solid results as far as gains and managing to stay lean..

  11. Looking back at the title of this then I think we can ask 3 questions.

    1. Necessary? No. With proper nutrition and hydration, they not "required".

    2. Can they be beneficial? Yes.

    3. Does the same rule apply to everyone? No, figure it out for yourself.
    Training around a jacked up neck.

  12. Quote Originally Posted by specmike View Post
    3. Does the same rule apply to everyone? No, figure it out for yourself.
    This should be posted following every question ever asked on this board lol

  13. Quote Originally Posted by Dizmal View Post
    This should be posted following every question ever asked on this board lol
    Probably a good idea.
    Training around a jacked up neck.

  14. My opinion. Yes they work. No they are not necessary. More of a luxury.

  15. From all the research and studies Ive seen intraworkout nutrition is just as important as post workout nutrition.
  16. purebred
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    If your working lasts 1.5 hrs or more it may be a good idea to supplement with one. Otherwise, they are not necessary by any definition of the word.

  17. I will be writing an article concerning all the benefits of intraworkout nutrition soon

  18. Quote Originally Posted by RenegadeRows View Post
    I will be writing an article concerning all the benefits of intraworkout nutrition soon
    Will def be reading that man!
    Was impressed by your Green Mag write up/post.

    Will you be touching on Fasted Training & Bcaa/Intras with the upcoming article?

  19. Quote Originally Posted by schizm View Post
    Will def be reading that man!
    Was impressed by your Green Mag write up/post.

    Will you be touching on Fasted Training & Bcaa/Intras with the upcoming article?
    Thanks man! Glad you enjoyed the Green Mag one.

    Yup the article will touch on fasted training and aminos, as well as many other potential combos and their benefits =D

  20. Quote Originally Posted by RenegadeRows View Post
    Thanks man! Glad you enjoyed the Green Mag one.

    Yup the article will touch on fasted training and aminos, as well as many other potential combos and their benefits =D
    schweet! I'll be doing some Renegade rows in my cube later in your honor...after lunch digests a little bit more...don't want to make the chicken quesadilla upset ya know...

  21. Quote Originally Posted by RenegadeRows View Post
    Thanks man! Glad you enjoyed the Green Mag one.

    Yup the article will touch on fasted training and aminos, as well as many other potential combos and their benefits =D
    donde esta el article, eh hombre?


  22. Intra workout is good as well if u do cardio after workout

  23. I lift 4 times per week, and my sessions routinely last 1.5-2 hours. I've never used an intra-workout drink other than water. I'm gonna try the 1/2 water, 1/2 Gatorade idea, and see how I feel.

  24. I think the individual, their types of workouts, and the other supplements used answers that question better than an outright yes or no. As a guy who plays hours of basketball as my cardio, I will lose what lean muscle I do have if I don't stay hydrated and keep my blood amino content going.

    I'm not gonna go too far on a tangent about my disdain for GATORADE but I'll say this... Too much sodium for a relatively nonexistent amount of potassium per serving and they're part of the reason why the price of whey went up. The sugar content of gatorade is something I gave up on because some people need it intra and post activity. I personally have a genetic pre disposition to diabetes in my family. Therefore my carb types are hawked at all times. I'll stick to HBCD and low GI carb supplementation when necessary.

    That's the long answer... Now the Short answer... Take them if your pre doesn't provide ample aminos and means of hydration; or your activity is that extensive.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tunnelrat View Post
    I lift 4 times per week, and my sessions routinely last 1.5-2 hours. I've never used an intra-workout drink other than water. I'm gonna try the 1/2 water, 1/2 Gatorade idea, and see how I feel.
    I think BCAAs mixed with a carb source might be a more useful concoction.
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