lookin for a good natty t booster for my PCT!

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  1. Quote Originally Posted by ryansm View Post
    AX, some type of Fenugreek product like Phyto Testosterone, Sustain Alpha, DAA (TCF-1) etc. are all great products.
    I remember when people used tons of straight fenugreek, ramping up the doses in pct, now with the extracts you don't have to take 12 caps a day.


  2. Quote Originally Posted by ryansm View Post
    AX, some type of Fenugreek product like Phyto Testosterone, Sustain Alpha, DAA (TCF-1) etc. are all great products.
    this^^^^ and whatever fits your budget, pretty much what the guys have suggested on this thread, you cant go wrong.
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  3. I love Fenugreek, I smell like maple syrup and my boys hang to my knees, kinda like something you would experience at the early-bird special at an IHOP or Denny's.


  4. Currently using phytoserm347,trs and torimifen. Great pumps and drive in the gym...but my libido is not what it was. Then again on 1,400mg of various gear not much else is going to compare to boosting libido.

  5. Quote Originally Posted by andrew732 View Post
    My vote goes to PhytoSerms 347 and TestForce2
    I second the vote for phyto and my other pick and I know I'ma get slammed for this one but ThermoLife's T-Bol.
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  6. Quote Originally Posted by andrew732 View Post
    My vote goes to PhytoSerms 347 and TestForce2
    I've heard good things about Phytoserms 347 and I'm confident anything PA puts out will be legit.

  7. Quote Originally Posted by bikeswimlive View Post
    I've heard good things about Phytoserms 347 and I'm confident anything PA puts out will be legit.
    yeah PA is behind testforce, and i used that stuff, and the primordial version tcf-1...and easily best t booster, especially for my pct needs (inj)

  8. Quote Originally Posted by ryansm View Post
    I love Fenugreek, I smell like maple syrup and my boys hang to my knees, kinda like something you would experience at the early-bird special at an IHOP or Denny's.
    i was in ATL, went to an ihop...wow, i thought my heart stopped, that is intense, breakfast here is no where near that much food....i ordered pancakes as an extra, i didnt know the stuff already came with them.....i slept the rest of the day

  9. Quote Originally Posted by sking6464 View Post
    i was in ATL, went to an ihop...wow, i thought my heart stopped, that is intense, breakfast here is no where near that much food....i ordered pancakes as an extra, i didnt know the stuff already came with them.....i slept the rest of the day
    LOL.....you should try an all you can eat Waffle House.
    Training around a jacked up neck.

  10. lol, yes we fat Americans...


  11. Hard FX also another great option
    The difference between who you are and who you want to be is what you do.

  12. How would one run a DAA product like TCF-1? 12 days on then 12 off or what?

  13. My advice is run it waaaay longer then 12days (it meaning DAA). From what I have picked up (and having used it myself) 12 days is not the ideal amouny of time yo run it and using it for even a,few months is a better way to go. Btw sorry in advance if pp's tcf is different from plain daa in some way that makes it only advisable to run 12days.

  14. Quote Originally Posted by xx Zues xx View Post
    How would one run a DAA product like TCF-1? 12 days on then 12 off or what?
    The original study showing the benefits was 12 days. From user feedback it is fine to run for longer.


  15. Yup.

    Aside from daa wich is relatively cheap and most people find it effective and seem to like to throe it into their pct, my other new current preffered pct supps are the trs stack (imo the price is pretty damn solid and my nuts are DEFINETLY bigger since I have been using it. I am also using phytoserm 347 with the trs and notice some nice drive/agression and pumps off of it. The topical sustain really seens to give me a nice sense of well being and if I do throw one pump on my bag, 1 on each shoulder and 1 on each arm I get pretty damn randy and it makes throwing the wood feel extra good. The endoamp also does a friggim sweet job at keeping the pct blues away and is quite nice preworout for a lil hgh boost and improved concentration, on off days I use it before I fall asleep. Toco8 is just a solid antioxidant\cardio protective/all around stapke kinda supplement and if I an not mistaken you get 2 friggin months of it per container.. good deal for the money imo.

  16. Im surprised no one has mentioned titanium, I really liked it, and it seemed to be getting some positive reviews.
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  17. DAA enough said

  18. i actually have a question about DAA, that hopefully one of you can answer for me:

    well the studies say in 12 days there was an increase by 40% (or somewhere aournd there) but to me 40% or anything under 100% doesnt seem like that much of an increase in test, atleast not enough to cause any significant gains in gym, so my question is that 40% significant enough to cause gains in Gym??? also why do so many repost increase in prolactin, doesnt prolactin alone greatly suppress test?

    these are honest question that i have as a consumer, help please
    The difference between who you are and who you want to be is what you do.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rochabp View Post
    i actually have a question about DAA, that hopefully one of you can answer for me:

    well the studies say in 12 days there was an increase by 40% (or somewhere aournd there) but to me 40% or anything under 100% doesnt seem like that much of an increase in test, atleast not enough to cause any significant gains in gym, so my question is that 40% significant enough to cause gains in Gym??? also why do so many repost increase in prolactin, doesnt prolactin alone greatly suppress test?

    these are honest question that i have as a consumer, help please
    Do you think that an athlete that has a total testosterone of 600 performs the same as one with one of 840? You are right that its not the sort of difference where you'll see gaining a pound of lean mass a week, but in natural bodybuilding, being able to add 10 or 20% more lean mass a year than otherwise is huge.
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  20. Quote Originally Posted by EasyEJL View Post
    Do you think that an athlete that has a total testosterone of 600 performs the same as one with one of 840? You are right that its not the sort of difference where you'll see gaining a pound of lean mass a week, but in natural bodybuilding, being able to add 10 or 20% more lean mass a year than otherwise is huge.
    oh okay that makes more sense but were those studies done on normal healthy men that were not deficient in test?
    The difference between who you are and who you want to be is what you do.

  21. Quote Originally Posted by rochabp View Post
    oh okay that makes more sense but were those studies done on normal healthy men that were not deficient in test?
    Normal healthy men, also in PCT it makes complete sense as your natural test production is shot.


  22. Quote Originally Posted by rochabp View Post
    i actually have a question about DAA, that hopefully one of you can answer for me:

    well the studies say in 12 days there was an increase by 40% (or somewhere aournd there) but to me 40% or anything under 100% doesnt seem like that much of an increase in test, atleast not enough to cause any significant gains in gym, so my question is that 40% significant enough to cause gains in Gym??? also why do so many repost increase in prolactin, doesnt prolactin alone greatly suppress test?

    these are honest question that i have as a consumer, help please
    at the same time tren increases prolactin, but look at the gains!!! hell, a lot of ph's are progesterone based.
    WELL DONE IS BETTER THAN WELL SAID

  23. Quote Originally Posted by thebigt View Post
    at the same time tren increases prolactin, but look at the gains!!! hell, a lot of ph's are progesterone based.
    but tren is an extremly strong androgen that will do more than "raise test by 40%". tren is one of the strongest things out there. IMO doesnt really help to use tren and PHs which are all steroids in their form or way.
    The difference between who you are and who you want to be is what you do.

  24. Quote Originally Posted by rochabp View Post
    but tren is an extremly strong androgen that will do more than "raise test by 40%". tren is one of the strongest things out there. IMO doesnt really help to use tren and PHs which are all steroids in their form or way.
    daa works even though i agree it can raise prolactin. i just used tren and progesterone based ph's as an example. maybe it wasn't a good comparison, but you get the idea behind it.


    i don't know the direct relationship between prolactin and test, but i think even with raised prolactin you can see good results-this is point i was making.
    WELL DONE IS BETTER THAN WELL SAID

  25. Quote Originally Posted by thebigt View Post
    daa works even though i agree it can raise prolactin. i just used tren and progesterone based ph's as an example. maybe it wasn't a good comparison, but you get the idea behind it.


    i don't know the direct relationship between prolactin and test, but i think even with raised prolactin you can see good results-this is point i was making.
    i may have red something that a rise in prolactin can bring down test significantly. id k where.

    but i guess im gonna have to try DAA for myself to see how i respond, i have some Hard FX with DAA in it i might give it a go after my PCT.

    thanks for input
    The difference between who you are and who you want to be is what you do.

  26. Quote Originally Posted by rochabp View Post
    i may have red something that a rise in prolactin can bring down test significantly. id k where.

    but i guess im gonna have to try DAA for myself to see how i respond, i have some Hard FX with DAA in it i might give it a go after my PCT.

    thanks for input
    no problem, i had good results from daa. but i ran testatropinv2 which has macuna puriens added. not sure of ing in hardfx but macuna or p5p may not be a bad idea, along with an ai-i used erase.
    WELL DONE IS BETTER THAN WELL SAID

  27. Quote Originally Posted by rochabp View Post
    i may have red something that a rise in prolactin can bring down test significantly. id k where.

    but i guess im gonna have to try DAA for myself to see how i respond, i have some Hard FX with DAA in it i might give it a go after my PCT.

    thanks for input

    yeah bro, give it a go in your pct, Im leaning towards adding it in mine too

  28. screw it, I just odered some(daa) from our friendly neighbor supp store(NP).

  29. Quote Originally Posted by wideguy View Post
    Yup.

    Aside from daa wich is relatively cheap and most people find it effective and seem to like to throe it into their pct, my other new current preffered pct supps are the trs stack (imo the price is pretty damn solid and my nuts are DEFINETLY bigger since I have been using it. I am also using phytoserm 347 with the trs and notice some nice drive/agression and pumps off of it. The topical sustain really seens to give me a nice sense of well being and if I do throw one pump on my bag, 1 on each shoulder and 1 on each arm I get pretty damn randy and it makes throwing the wood feel extra good. The endoamp also does a friggim sweet job at keeping the pct blues away and is quite nice preworout for a lil hgh boost and improved concentration, on off days I use it before I fall asleep. Toco8 is just a solid antioxidant\cardio protective/all around stapke kinda supplement and if I an not mistaken you get 2 friggin months of it per container.. good deal for the money imo.
    ^^^i use the trs with torem in pct, and if not all of it, the toco and the endoamp, ill use the sustain after pct...n yeah 1 shot to the balls works real well.....daa is the ****, testfroce is good, i prefer tcf-1 cause of the grape....i just run it past my torem and smoothest pct iv ever had

    if price is a factor for anyone, cycling isnt for you, this game aint cheap, my ancileries like vitamins cost me more on my last run than alot of guys whole cycle/pct
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