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    leucine or hmb?


    whats your guys pick? and why? im debating between these 2 as far as preserving strength and muscle mass. im on a very high protein and fat, but extremely low carb diet. ive read hmb is great but not in trained/athletic people.

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    Leucine. Is HMB still around?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Resolve View Post
    Leucine. Is HMB still around?
    yeah its considered an old school supp and its not as popular but its still around.
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    Oral Leucine is sufficient to stimulate muscle protein synthesis, while I'm pretty confident HMB has very low bioavailability, making the effective doses too expensive for practicality.

    have 5g of leu with each of your meals and you're set.
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    it would be better to have 5-10g leucine 10-15min prior to a meal.

    and as far as the topic goes, IMO it's best to have both. 5g of leucine with 15g of EAAs +3g HMB and some fast carbs pre and during workout.

    HMB worked nicely for me, while I was dieting
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    Ive been seeing quite a bit of promotion for HMB lately, and honestly I dont know why. It would need to be dosed extremely high which kills the cost
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    Check out leucine matrix by prosupps covers the 3 in decent doses in one scoop.
    3 g of leucine
    1.5 g of calcium HMB
    500mg of HICA
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    Leucine by a long shot.

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    Leucine. Look into either tabs (analyzed supplements leucine) or bulk powder (SNS)
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    Quote Originally Posted by money0351 View Post
    Check out leucine matrix by prosupps covers the 3 in decent doses in one scoop.
    3 g of leucine
    1.5 g of calcium HMB
    500mg of HICA
    ^^^ This.
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    The latest study published on HMB did not really show the sort of favorable results that would have indicated it as a good choice for supplementation.

    On a calorie defecit there was more muscle lost than fat, and on a caloric surplus more fat gained than muscle.

    Stick with leucine especially when you can buy large bulk tubs of leucine at a great price such as SNS Leucine
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    Interesting
    Got the studies?

    Quote Originally Posted by De__eB View Post
    The latest study published on HMB did not really show the sort of favorable results that would have indicated it as a good choice for supplementation.

    On a calorie defecit there was more muscle lost than fat, and on a caloric surplus more fat gained than muscle.
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    Quote Originally Posted by money0351 View Post
    Check out leucine matrix by prosupps covers the 3 in decent doses in one scoop.
    3 g of leucine
    1.5 g of calcium HMB
    500mg of HICA
    It's great but if that's a serving you need minimum 3 a day and in between meals and pre workout
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    each container runs about 30 bucks for 50 scoops. Personally I would run 3 scoops per day on workout days and 1 scoop on off days (assuming I wouldn't skip the dose entirely) not the cheapest price per serving but still cheaper than buying the 3 separate
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    Quote Originally Posted by money0351 View Post
    Check out leucine matrix by prosupps covers the 3 in decent doses in one scoop.
    3 g of leucine
    1.5 g of calcium HMB
    500mg of HICA
    That's an interesting product. Throw it all together see what happens

    If it came with a good price might be worth it.

    For the original poster I'm sticking with leucine itself for now. Plus making sure I'm consuming protein around the extra dosing obviously.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Whacked View Post
    Interesting
    Got the studies?
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23876188

    The conclusion/abstract is written about as heavily slanted in favor of HMB as it could possibly be written, but read the full text of the results and the reality becomes apparent.
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    I've seen it marketed towards the elderly population through endure drinks.

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    Thx

    Quote Originally Posted by De__eB View Post
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23876188

    The conclusion/abstract is written about as heavily slanted in favor of HMB as it could possibly be written, but read the full text of the results and the reality becomes apparent.
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    Quote Originally Posted by money0351 View Post
    Check out leucine matrix by prosupps covers the 3 in decent doses in one scoop.
    3 g of leucine
    1.5 g of calcium HMB
    500mg of HICA
    Looks like overkill. Sometimes more is not always better.

    I prefer a Leucine/HICA combo
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    Quote Originally Posted by Clemenza View Post
    Looks like overkill. Sometimes more is not always better.

    I prefer a Leucine/HICA combo
    Big fan of HICA. Good stuff.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aaronuconn View Post
    Big fan of HICA. Good stuff.
    Definitely! Great stuff.

    I've been using a Leucine/EAA combo intra workout and between meals as well as the HICA in 3 servings of Alphamine daily during my cut/recomp.

    Recovery is phenomenal and I've kept every ounce of muscle.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Clemenza View Post

    Definitely! Great stuff.

    I've been using a Leucine/EAA combo intra workout and between meals as well as the HICA in 3 servings of Alphamine daily during my cut/recomp.

    Recovery is phenomenal and I've kept every ounce of muscle.
    Same I'm at like 3G hica a day lol. Recomping hard. Ran out of alphamine so I'm back at like 2 g tho as of tomorrow
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