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    IYO, what's the best cortisol blocker?


    I've always used lean fx but looking to try something different.

    Edit: I've read similar threads but just to make sure there's nothing new on the market not covered in those older threads.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bluehealer View Post
    I've always used lean fx but looking to try something different.

    Edit: I've read similar threads but just to make sure there's nothing new on the market not covered in those older threads.
    erase-the stuff really works.
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    I always mega dose vitamin C. Always. It is cheap and there is quite a bit of science behind it.

    http://www.psychologytoday.com/artic...-stress-buster
    http://www.sciencedirect.com/science...8&searchtype=a

    For times when you really want to cover your cortisol needs (PCT & Cut) I would add in Endoamp Max (large amount of research behind it as well) by PP. I've also run Lean Xtreme by DS with good results. It has EGCG in it as well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bikeswimlive View Post
    I always mega dose vitamin C. Always. It is cheap and there is quite a bit of science behind it.

    http://www.psychologytoday.com/artic...-stress-buster
    http://www.sciencedirect.com/science...8&searchtype=a

    For times when you really want to cover your cortisol needs (PCT & Cut) I would add in Endoamp Max (large amount of research behind it as well) by PP. I've also run Lean Xtreme by DS with good results. It has EGCG in it as well.
    No ****? I dose vitamin C 2g AM, 2g PM, is that enough?
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    Erase or Endoamp for sure. Erase will also give you a good estrogen reduction while Endoamp will raise GH and IGF-1 levels. So it's your choice
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    Quote Originally Posted by bluehealer View Post
    I've always used lean fx but looking to try something different.

    Edit: I've read similar threads but just to make sure there's nothing new on the market not covered in those older threads.
    Lean FX has always been my go to cortisol product, great overall product and usually notice good results as well. Ive definitly ran Lean Xtreme and it worked quite well too. So either or would definitly be your best bet, then again if it aint broke dont fix it haha
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    Quote Originally Posted by bluehealer View Post
    I've always used lean fx but looking to try something different.

    Edit: I've read similar threads but just to make sure there's nothing new on the market not covered in those older threads.
    Just to list a few things:
    DHEA
    Erase
    Lean Xtreme (original)
    EndoAmp Max
    Vitamin C

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    same as everyone....vit C BIG TIME,throughout the day, its dirt cheap and works....i like lean extreme too, and endoamp lately has worked well in pct with torem

    but vitC wins for price balanced with effectiveness

    and dont over train also
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    Endoamp and vitamin C gets my vote.
    Just inject.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rosie Chee Scott View Post
    Just to list a few things:
    DHEA
    Erase
    Lean Xtreme (original)
    EndoAmp Max
    Vitamin C

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    Thats a great list. I like PS because it only blunts the cortisol. No chance in risking cortisol getting to low.
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    Well endoamp and erase were mentioned a lot so... we have a tie, I'll get both.

    Thanks to all.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bluehealer View Post
    Well endoamp and erase were mentioned a lot so... we have a tie, I'll get both.

    Thanks to all.
    Are you cutting or do you just need cortisol suppression from over-training?
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    Quote Originally Posted by bikeswimlive View Post
    Are you cutting or do you just need cortisol suppression from over-training?
    Cutting, I've got that last bit of belly fat.
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    PS=Phosphatidylserine which is found in ENDOAMP
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    Quote Originally Posted by fightbackhxc View Post
    PS=Phosphatidylserine which is found in ENDOAMP
    cool, thanks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bluehealer View Post
    Well endoamp and erase were mentioned a lot so... we have a tie, I'll get both.

    Thanks to all.
    Quote Originally Posted by bluehealer View Post
    Cutting, I've got that last bit of belly fat.
    You can stack these products as well - just so you know - and that would be the best thing to do for your goal, IMO.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rosie Chee Scott View Post
    You can stack these products as well - just so you know - and that would be the best thing to do for your goal, IMO.

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    Its a little tougher now that most conventionally availiable PHs are off the market- 11-oxo was fantastic at limiting cortisol, and most AAS and PHs have some strong cortisol-lowering characteristics


    PS is pretty good, and like Rosie said- Vitamin C is excellent as well as DHEA

    One of the ingredients in Free Test- Androst-3,5-dien-7,17-dione (or 3-desoxy 7-Keto DHEA) is a pretty strong anti-cortisol agent as well
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    Quote Originally Posted by bikeswimlive View Post
    I always mega dose vitamin C. Always. It is cheap and there is quite a bit of science behind it.

    http://www.psychologytoday.com/artic...-stress-buster
    http://www.sciencedirect.com/science...8&searchtype=a

    For times when you really want to cover your cortisol needs (PCT & Cut) I would add in Endoamp Max (large amount of research behind it as well) by PP. I've also run Lean Xtreme by DS with good results. It has EGCG in it as well.

    Megadosing Vitamin C can be dangerous.
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    Quote Originally Posted by T-Bone View Post
    Megadosing Vitamin C can be dangerous.
    How so, isn't it water soluable and excess is passed in urine?
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    Quote Originally Posted by rms80 View Post
    Its a little tougher now that most conventionally availiable PHs are off the market- 11-oxo was fantastic at limiting cortisol, and most AAS and PHs have some strong cortisol-lowering characteristics


    PS is pretty good, and like Rosie said- Vitamin C is excellent as well as DHEA

    One of the ingredients in Free Test- Androst-3,5-dien-7,17-dione (or 3-desoxy 7-Keto DHEA) is a pretty strong anti-cortisol agent as well
    Maybe stack Free Test/ Endoamp/ Erase???
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    Quote Originally Posted by bluehealer View Post
    How so, isn't it water soluable and excess is passed in urine?
    Yes but I'd be more worried about a situation in which someone takes a megadose and then suddenly stops, creating a deficiency(Rebound Scurvy?). I guess it depends on how much the person is taking though. Vitamin C is not toxic at less than 2 grams.
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    Quote Originally Posted by T-Bone View Post
    Yes but I'd be more worried about a situation in which someone takes a megadose and then suddenly stops, creating a deficiency(Rebound Scurvy?). I guess it depends on how much the person is taking though. Vitamin C is not toxic at less than 2 grams.
    I take 4g a day, in 2 doses. (2g. per dose)
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    Quote Originally Posted by bluehealer View Post
    I take 4g a day, in 2 doses. (2g. per dose)
    Well than, I would cut down if I were you(Gradually). Don't you get Vitamin C is your multi?. I really don't understand the "More is better" mentality. I guess I'm the odd man out here though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by T-Bone View Post
    Well than, I would cut down if I were you(Gradually). Don't you get Vitamin C is your multi?
    Will do. I knew the top limit was 2000mg. but since it was pissed away I didn't think it would be harmful. I'm currently not talking a multi. Ran out of OT. Taking B-6, C, E, A/G Pro AA, and fishoil.

    Oh, and Mag/Zinc.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bluehealer View Post
    I've always used lean fx but looking to try something different.

    Edit: I've read similar threads but just to make sure there's nothing new on the market not covered in those older threads.
    why block cortisol?

    you need a ratio between Cortisol and Testosterone

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    Quote Originally Posted by bluehealer View Post
    Maybe stack Free Test/ Endoamp/ Erase???
    That could work- might be a little too much on the 3-desoxy DHEA end- we use a pretty high dosage in Free Test- but it should do a really good job at raising test levels and lowering cortisol levels- may dry you out quite a bit or cause joint pain at that high a dosage tho.....
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    Quote Originally Posted by MAxximal View Post
    why block cortisol?

    you need a ratio between Cortisol and Testosterone

    http://www.jssm.org/vol4/n1/10/v4n1-10pdf.pdf

    http://www.musculardevelopment.com/a...connection.pdf
    And you need it to cushion joints- cut it too low and it can be really unpleasant.....

    However, you don't want it running rampant, either.....
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    Quote Originally Posted by bluehealer View Post
    Maybe stack Free Test/ Endoamp/ Erase???
    If you're going to stack FREE TEST and Erase together, I recommend only using 1 cap of Erase daily, since both products contain the same active and both control cortisol, and you don't want to decrease your cortisol by HEAPS.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MAxximal View Post
    why block cortisol?

    you need a ratio between Cortisol and Testosterone




    http://www.jssm.org/vol4/n1/10/v4n1-10pdf.pdf

    http://www.musculardevelopment.com/a...connection.pdf
    This finding would seem to support the
    notion that the observed testosterone reductions
    following certain forms of physical exercise could
    be related to cortisol elevations
    in response to that
    exercise. But, this is speculative on our part as the
    current data only indicate the existence of an
    associative relationship between the hormones and
    does not indicate a cause and effect relationship.
    Further research is necessary to fully address this
    question.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rms80 View Post
    That could work- might be a little too much on the 3-desoxy DHEA end- we use a pretty high dosage in Free Test- but it should do a really good job at raising test levels and lowering cortisol levels- may dry you out quite a bit or cause joint pain at that high a dosage tho.....
    Quote Originally Posted by Rosie Chee Scott View Post
    If you're going to stack FREE TEST and Erase together, I recommend only using 1 cap of Erase daily, since both products contain the same active and both control cortisol, and you don't want to decrease your cortisol by HEAPS.

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    Not to be an alarmist, but how much cortisol is needed by the body to remain efficient with respect to other bodily processes? http://www.ehow.com/about_5183275_sy...ol-level_.html
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    Quote Originally Posted by bluehealer View Post
    Soooo much information, you gotta love AM. And it's members.
    Hopefully someone knowledgeable in that area can chime in on the subject. I'm on erase currently and this thread is of interest to me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by southpaw23 View Post
    Not to be an alarmist, but how much cortisol is needed by the body to remain efficient with respect to other bodily processes? http://www.ehow.com/about_5183275_sy...ol-level_.html
    It really depends on the individual- you can have blood tests drawn to see where you are at- a normal early morning value (when cortisol levels are highest) is 6 to 23 mcg- and these levels normally decrease during the day
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    Quote Originally Posted by rms80 View Post
    It really depends on the individual- you can have blood tests drawn to see where you are at- a normal early morning value (when cortisol levels are highest) is 6 to 23 mcg- and these levels normally decrease during the day
    I can think of a case off the top of my head where one of the IFBB pros got their levels too low, and it made him bleed out- he was taking Cytadren, which is a really strong cortisol synthesis inhibitor (a prescription drug)- they give it to people who have Cushing's Syndrome, which is a disorder characterized by abnormally high cortisol levels....he was also taking about 10-15 other drugs along with it as well. I don't think any commercial availiable supplement would cause this type of issue, however.....

    Google Andreas Munzer for more info.....he died in 1996 as I remember
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    Quote Originally Posted by bluehealer View Post
    OK then FreeTest/ Endoamp followed by Erase/ Endoamp.
    That could work- or maybe try Erase with HGH-Up and Lit-Up, just to get some variation- that way you are getting a big increase in test from all three, an increase in GH from Lit-Up and HGH-Up, cortisol inhibition, and the AI in Erase and the L-Dopa content in HGH-Up will counter any potential issues with the DAA in Lit-Up.......
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    Quote Originally Posted by rms80 View Post
    It really depends on the individual- you can have blood tests drawn to see where you are at- a normal early morning value (when cortisol levels are highest) is 6 to 23 mcg- and these levels normally decrease during the day
    Don't these levels increase as a person ages?
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    Quote Originally Posted by rms80 View Post
    That could work- or maybe try Erase with HGH-Up and Lit-Up, just to get some variation- that way you are getting a big increase in test from all three, an increase in GH from Lit-Up and HGH-Up, cortisol inhibition, and the AI in Erase and the L-Dopa content in HGH-Up will counter any potential issues with the DAA in Lit-Up.......
    I have bulk DAA and a bottle of HGH-Up on hand so I just need to purchase Free Test, Endoamp, and Erase.
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