IYO, what's the best cortisol blocker?

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  1. Quote Originally Posted by rms80 View Post
    That could work- might be a little too much on the 3-desoxy DHEA end- we use a pretty high dosage in Free Test- but it should do a really good job at raising test levels and lowering cortisol levels- may dry you out quite a bit or cause joint pain at that high a dosage tho.....
    Quote Originally Posted by Rosie Chee Scott View Post
    If you're going to stack FREE TEST and Erase together, I recommend only using 1 cap of Erase daily, since both products contain the same active and both control cortisol, and you don't want to decrease your cortisol by HEAPS.

    ~Rosie~
    OK then FreeTest/ Endoamp followed by Erase/ Endoamp.


  2. Not to be an alarmist, but how much cortisol is needed by the body to remain efficient with respect to other bodily processes? http://www.ehow.com/about_5183275_sy...ol-level_.html
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  3. Soooo much information, you gotta love AM. And it's members.

  4. Quote Originally Posted by bluehealer View Post
    Soooo much information, you gotta love AM. And it's members.
    Hopefully someone knowledgeable in that area can chime in on the subject. I'm on erase currently and this thread is of interest to me.

  5. Quote Originally Posted by southpaw23 View Post
    Not to be an alarmist, but how much cortisol is needed by the body to remain efficient with respect to other bodily processes? http://www.ehow.com/about_5183275_sy...ol-level_.html
    It really depends on the individual- you can have blood tests drawn to see where you are at- a normal early morning value (when cortisol levels are highest) is 6 to 23 mcg- and these levels normally decrease during the day
    Dirk Tanis, BA, MSci
    Chief Operating Officer, Applied Nutriceuticals
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  7. Quote Originally Posted by rms80 View Post
    It really depends on the individual- you can have blood tests drawn to see where you are at- a normal early morning value (when cortisol levels are highest) is 6 to 23 mcg- and these levels normally decrease during the day
    I can think of a case off the top of my head where one of the IFBB pros got their levels too low, and it made him bleed out- he was taking Cytadren, which is a really strong cortisol synthesis inhibitor (a prescription drug)- they give it to people who have Cushing's Syndrome, which is a disorder characterized by abnormally high cortisol levels....he was also taking about 10-15 other drugs along with it as well. I don't think any commercial availiable supplement would cause this type of issue, however.....

    Google Andreas Munzer for more info.....he died in 1996 as I remember
    Dirk Tanis, BA, MSci
    Chief Operating Officer, Applied Nutriceuticals

  8. Quote Originally Posted by bluehealer View Post
    OK then FreeTest/ Endoamp followed by Erase/ Endoamp.
    That could work- or maybe try Erase with HGH-Up and Lit-Up, just to get some variation- that way you are getting a big increase in test from all three, an increase in GH from Lit-Up and HGH-Up, cortisol inhibition, and the AI in Erase and the L-Dopa content in HGH-Up will counter any potential issues with the DAA in Lit-Up.......
    Dirk Tanis, BA, MSci
    Chief Operating Officer, Applied Nutriceuticals

  9. Quote Originally Posted by rms80 View Post
    It really depends on the individual- you can have blood tests drawn to see where you are at- a normal early morning value (when cortisol levels are highest) is 6 to 23 mcg- and these levels normally decrease during the day
    Don't these levels increase as a person ages?

  10. Quote Originally Posted by rms80 View Post
    That could work- or maybe try Erase with HGH-Up and Lit-Up, just to get some variation- that way you are getting a big increase in test from all three, an increase in GH from Lit-Up and HGH-Up, cortisol inhibition, and the AI in Erase and the L-Dopa content in HGH-Up will counter any potential issues with the DAA in Lit-Up.......
    I have bulk DAA and a bottle of HGH-Up on hand so I just need to purchase Free Test, Endoamp, and Erase.

  11. Quote Originally Posted by bluehealer View Post
    Don't these levels increase as a person ages?
    ACTH production decreases with age- and ACTH stimulates cortisol release, but actual cortisol levels, no

    Fiziol Cheloveka. 2010 Sep-Oct;36(5):101-9.

    [Age-related changes in blood concentration of hypothalamic-pituitary-adrenal axis hormones, their central and peripheral regulators in healthy men].
    [Article in Russian]

    Kuzina IN, Kilikovskiĭ VV, Smirnova OV.

    Abstract
    We studied concentrations of cortisol, its precursors and active form in human blood and relation to the changes in concentration of central and peripheral hormonal regulators (total 36 parameters) in healthy male volunteers aged 18-72 y.o. The study demonstrated a significant decrease in blood concentrations of unutilazed cortisol precursors (pregnenolone and progesterone) with advanced age accompanied by maintenance of total and free cortisol concentrations. We found age-related decrease in ACTH level that is a known hypophysial stimulant of cortisol and cortisol precursor synthesis in adrenal glands. Cortisol and ACTH levels in study population had different correlation behavior in relation to central and peripheral regulators for hormonal axes. CONCLUSION: cortisol level remains stable with advanced age in males despite the decrease in steroidogenic activity and blood ACTH level. This may be due to the imbalance in the regulation of cortisol and ACTH production by central and peripheral regulators especially by hormones of reproductive and somatotrophic axes.
    Dirk Tanis, BA, MSci
    Chief Operating Officer, Applied Nutriceuticals

  12. Quote Originally Posted by rms80 View Post
    I can think of a case off the top of my head where one of the IFBB pros got their levels too low, and it made him bleed out- he was taking Cytadren, which is a really strong cortisol synthesis inhibitor (a prescription drug)- they give it to people who have Cushing's Syndrome, which is a disorder characterized by abnormally high cortisol levels....he was also taking about 10-15 other drugs along with it as well. I don't think any commercial availiable supplement would cause this type of issue, however.....

    Google Andreas Munzer for more info.....he died in 1996 as I remember
    yes Cytadren is very powerful

  13. Quote Originally Posted by bluehealer View Post
    I have bulk DAA and a bottle of HGH-Up on hand so I just need to purchase Free Test, Endoamp, and Erase.
    and you will have one heck of a stack!
    Dirk Tanis, BA, MSci
    Chief Operating Officer, Applied Nutriceuticals

  14. Quote Originally Posted by rms80 View Post
    and you will have one heck of a stack!
    Hmmmmm
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  15. Quote Originally Posted by MAxximal View Post
    Hmmmmm
    LOL- haven't been over here in a while- forgot how much I miss this board
    Dirk Tanis, BA, MSci
    Chief Operating Officer, Applied Nutriceuticals

  16. Quote Originally Posted by rms80 View Post
    ACTH production decreases with age- and ACTH stimulates cortisol release, but actual cortisol levels, no

    Fiziol Cheloveka. 2010 Sep-Oct;36(5):101-9.

    [Age-related changes in blood concentration of hypothalamic-pituitary-adrenal axis hormones, their central and peripheral regulators in healthy men].
    [Article in Russian]

    Kuzina IN, Kilikovskiĭ VV, Smirnova OV.

    Abstract
    We studied concentrations of cortisol, its precursors and active form in human blood and relation to the changes in concentration of central and peripheral hormonal regulators (total 36 parameters) in healthy male volunteers aged 18-72 y.o. The study demonstrated a significant decrease in blood concentrations of unutilazed cortisol precursors (pregnenolone and progesterone) with advanced age accompanied by maintenance of total and free cortisol concentrations. We found age-related decrease in ACTH level that is a known hypophysial stimulant of cortisol and cortisol precursor synthesis in adrenal glands. Cortisol and ACTH levels in study population had different correlation behavior in relation to central and peripheral regulators for hormonal axes. CONCLUSION: cortisol level remains stable with advanced age in males despite the decrease in steroidogenic activity and blood ACTH level. This may be due to the imbalance in the regulation of cortisol and ACTH production by central and peripheral regulators especially by hormones of reproductive and somatotrophic axes.
    OK, I thought it was an increase in cortisol that cause the increase in fat deposites in the belly area of men and the hip/thigh area of women as the aged.

  17. Phosphatidylserine... endoamp max seems to be the best ps containing product
    Vitamin C dosages mentoned above
    7-keto
    BB.com had something called cortished that worked great, not sure if its still around though

    Agreed as well with a need to balance cortisol, test, and I will add insulin in this equation, but honestly if any hormone in the body is off it will effect all the others, so its kinda cheating to say any other hormones to try and sound smart like I did.

  18. I used to use Lean Xtreme, but I switched to Free Test and have been very happy with the results. I also throw in some Vitamin C for good measure- especially since after a cycle my immune system is usually pretty shot.

  19. Dont forget bcaa's. Studies show that after a month of supplementing with bcaa's, cortisol levels were significantly lower than those who didnt supplement w/bcaa's.
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  20. Thanks for the Rulk- I'd never heard that before. I love this board- I always learn something new.

  21. Quote Originally Posted by KDLMaj View Post
    Thanks for the Rulk- I'd never heard that before. I love this board- I always learn something new.
    BCAAs are so beneficial. They are am unsung hero in my book.

    Rulk, are Primordial's BCAAs unflavored only? I never can cover the taste of bulk unflavored BCAAs enough.

  22. Quote Originally Posted by bikeswimlive View Post
    BCAAs are so beneficial. They are am unsung hero in my book.

    Rulk, are Primordial's BCAAs unflavored only? I never can cover the taste of bulk unflavored BCAAs enough.
    You could try Vitaberry with your next order. I swear to god this stuff tastes damn good. It covers up BCAAs (it really does) and it just tastes awesome on its own. I literally just make myself a drink of it sometimes for the hell of it.
    Just inject.
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  23. Quote Originally Posted by HereToStudy View Post
    You could try Vitaberry with your next order. I swear to god this stuff tastes damn good. It covers up BCAAs (it really does) and it just tastes awesome on its own. I literally just make myself a drink of it sometimes for the hell of it.
    Do you take it intraworkout? I was wondering if the flavor and mixability are ok for drinking during a heavy workout without upsetting the stomach?

  24. vitaminc c works like a charm...i also use x-lean, just thought i would throw that out there
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  25. Lean Extreme or Endoamp. Both worked well for me, the others I can't comment on.

  26. I still don't understand people taking so many supps to lower cortisol. I mean it must work, enough people have gotten results from it that you'd have to say that. But even with the knowledge that too much can lead to fat stores and a host of other problems, you still need to have enough in your system. And especially if cutting, your thyroid function is going to depend A LOT on having adequate supply of cortisol in your system. If you lower your cortisol too much, it's going to shut your thyroid down and you won't be losing any weight my friend.

    So if you are cutting, and taking something to boost your thyroid output, it would seem taking a cort reducer would be counter intuitive to what you are trying to accomplish.

  27. trust me, they are unflavored, i like that they are anji, but it doesnt help with the taste
    i throw it into map, into torrent, into power shock....nothing works

    the vitaberry they sell looks expensive, but if that really works itd be worth it....gatorade, crystal lite, nothing man

    but bcaa are important, so i just chug em down

  28. Quote Originally Posted by HATEFULone View Post
    Do you take it intraworkout? I was wondering if the flavor and mixability are ok for drinking during a heavy workout without upsetting the stomach?
    I use the vitaberry to mask the taste of ibcaa's and I usually consume mine post workout. No problems with upset stomach that ive ever exerienced, this way or intra. Vitaberry is pretty light even with ibcaa's.
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  29. Vitaberry is just awesome, but to salty for me to buy all the time. I'm not saying it's over priced, you get what you pay for. I feel it's worth it, but have a hard time justifying the price to the wifey.

  30. Quote Originally Posted by subweevil View Post
    Vitaberry is just awesome, but to salty for me to buy all the time. I'm not saying it's over priced, you get what you pay for. I feel it's worth it, but have a hard time justifying the price to the wifey.
    Yeah, I try to not us a whole scoop to combat the price, makes it stretch out a bit longer.

    Yes hatefulone, I use it intra and have no issues.
    Just inject.
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