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    Nice, im a big fan of Leucine. Thats good to know since Leucine in large amounts is said to ellicit a significant surge in insulin, thereby halting some fat burning.
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    So instead of creating a new thread, I'll bump this one.

    Whats the latest feedback on Leucine supplementation and fat loss? I recently picked up a tub of leucine, and have been dosing 5g with morning shake, pre and post workout, and with bedtime whey shake. I've been reading conflicting info.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lonewolf0420 View Post
    So instead of creating a new thread, I'll bump this one.

    Whats the latest feedback on Leucine supplementation and fat loss? I recently picked up a tub of leucine, and have been dosing 5g with morning shake, pre and post workout, and with bedtime whey shake. I've been reading conflicting info.
    Most of what I know is that leucine needs the other 2 BCAAs present to do what it needs to do. So even in an 8:1:1 type ratio, you're good, but 8:0:0 won't yield the same positive results. Just what I've read.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MidwestBeast View Post
    Most of what I know is that leucine needs the other 2 BCAAs present to do what it needs to do. So even in an 8:1:1 type ratio, you're good, but 8:0:0 won't yield the same positive results. Just what I've read.
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    Theoretically amino acids on free form, singly, without forming di or tripeptides with other, have impaired absorption. This is due to the type of carrier for amino acids we have in the intestine.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AVP View Post
    Theoretically amino acids on free form, singly, without forming di or tripeptides with other, have impaired absorption. This is due to the type of carrier for amino acids we have in the intestine.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MidwestBeast View Post
    Most of what I know is that leucine needs the other 2 BCAAs present to do what it needs to do. So even in an 8:1:1 type ratio, you're good, but 8:0:0 won't yield the same positive results. Just what I've read.
    Hmm interesting, I've been using 4:1:1 RecoverPRO, been dosing about 8 scoops a day, so far, so good!
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    Quote Originally Posted by JudgementDay View Post
    Hmm interesting, I've been using 4:1:1 RecoverPRO, been dosing about 8 scoops a day, so far, so good!
    Very nice. That's a good product for sure.

    I've been going bulk 4:1:1 for a while and just cutting it with a flavored amino product. Lately it's been a scoop or scoop and a half of Purple Wraath with 12-18g of bulk 4:1:1 in my half gallon jug intra-workout. I've used USP's 8:1:1 and didn't notice any real difference in recovery, but I've also got a jacked up thyroid lol. I've got a ton of bulk leucine that I plan on mixing up with some bulk 4:1:1 or 2:1:1 down the road.
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    I know leucine with Whey is beneficial pre and post workout, but is at all really beneficial with wake up shake, and pre-bed?
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    Leucine makes for an excellent wake up ****tail due to it's very anti-catabolic properties. I am not a fan of elevated insulin levelsn pre-bad as they "may" adversely impact GH levels.

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    I know leucine with Whey is beneficial pre and post workout, but is at all really beneficial with wake up shake, and pre-bed?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Whacked View Post
    Leucine makes for an excellent wake up ****tail due to it's very anti-catabolic properties. I am not a fan of elevated insulin levelsn pre-bad as they "may" adversely impact GH levels.
    The impact on GH is irrelevant.
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    How would it be any different than the advice to limit carb intake immediately pre-bed for the same rationale?
    Insulin antagonizes GH and therefore adversely affects secretion/release.

    http://www.livestrong.com/article/49...rowth-hormone/
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    For what it's worth, I know Layne Norton was working on an article discussing the relevance/importance of natural growth hormone. It was a couple months ago, and I never saw on fb where he actually posted it, so I don't know whether or not he found it to be significant or not. He also linked a study about a week ago that showed carbohydrate timing to not play a relevance (e.g. whether you eat them in the morning or at night). I'm not saying I'd eat all my carbs and go hop in bed or anything like that, but I think that it's not as big of a deal as we often make it out to be. And I also don't think natural GH is that incredibly meaningful, most likely (i.e. in the sense of do you consume JUST proftein to keep GH high after working out versus taking in carbohydrates and potentially blunting that GH).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Whacked View Post
    How would it be any different than the advice to limit carb intake immediately pre-bed for the same rationale?
    Insulin antagonizes GH and therefore adversely affects secretion/release.

    http://www.livestrong.com/article/49...rowth-hormone/
    It wouldn't be any different. Again, these transient fluctuations in GH are irrelevant for body composition.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mr.cooper69 View Post
    It wouldn't be any different. Again, these transient fluctuations in GH are irrelevant for body composition.
    what about for recovery?
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    Quote Originally Posted by soontobbeast View Post
    what about for recovery?
    This is a good read. The effects of GH in normal people is not what you think: http://broscience.com/layne-norton-p...ectations.html
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    Well ****, i've been taking leucine alone for about a month. Leucine + whey is alright though, correct?
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    Quote Originally Posted by T50 View Post
    Well ****, i've been taking leucine alone for about a month. Leucine + whey is alright though, correct?
    Nope, no point. Whey maximizes MPS alone. Preventing the refractory response is a moot goal.

    You are SUPPOSED to take leucine alone! Don't let the bros get to you man. You only need the other BCAAs if there are ZERO ffAAs circulating in your system (aka very low meal frequency like IFing). If you ate a chicken breast 2-3 hours ago, you can bet those aminos are still available. Thus, take the leucine alone unless fasted.
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    Interesting...

    So how would you daily supplement it?
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    Quote Originally Posted by lonewolf0420 View Post
    Interesting...

    So how would you daily supplement it?
    IF I chose to use it,

    2 hours postprandially, 2-3 times a day. 0.045g Leu/kg BW
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    Quote Originally Posted by mr.cooper69 View Post
    Nope, no point. Whey maximizes MPS alone. Preventing the refractory response is a moot goal.

    You are SUPPOSED to take leucine alone! Don't let the bros get to you man. You only need the other BCAAs if there are ZERO ffAAs circulating in your system (aka very low meal frequency like IFing). If you ate a chicken breast 2-3 hours ago, you can bet those aminos are still available. Thus, take the leucine alone unless fasted.
    Solid point, that was always my understanding on the topic.

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    I just take modern bcaa 10g right before workout should help keep me anabolic? Even when doing very low impact walking cardior hill after lifting
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    So if I have my post workout shake at 9pm and eat dinner about 10. instead of having another shake before bed (a couple of hours later) I should just have a serving of a leucine?

    And no point in adding any to my post workout shake?
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    Imo I would mix peanut butter shake and leucine
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jasen View Post
    Imo I would mix peanut butter shake and leucine
    Not in the mood to eat anything before bed. A shake is just easy to down. I'm trying to be in a caloric deficit.
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