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    I had surgery for gyno 8 weeks ago.

    Don't want to even risk the slightest chance that i would get gyno again, so no PH's or steroids for me.

    Wondering what the best and safest test booster or anti e would be.

    Was looking at Activate Xtreme but i think that may be too potent.

    ERASE by PES seems to have what i'm looking for since it is pretty much a PCT.

    So would ERASE be a good standalone supp to take? Or is something better? I want pretty much zero risk of sides...especially gyno. I don't care about the small side effects like sore joints or whatever.

    Currently taking Animal pump, whey protein, multi vitamin, and fish oil...

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    What supp did you take to get gyno and how much doses? plus how long the cycle? and what your pct was?
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    I took 5 decazol by legal limit labs. Its a PH...it is superdrol and halodrol mixed. 4 week cycle. Took Re-cycle by the same company for my pct.

    For those that don't know...LLL is a company only sold in complete nutrition stores. Basically they just keep pumping out PH's and when they become illegal and pulled off the shelf they change a chemical bond and remarket it. And they sell to 18 year old kids and lie to them! Anyways.... /endrant
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    That's your problem is you relied on simply an OTC PCT supplement, which is only meant to support your PCT and not serve as a standalone. Shoulda went with a serm for superdrol.

    But yeah Erase is lookin pretty good. And they've got that progressive sale on nutra for it. I picked up two bottles. You could throw a test booster like activate or some DAA in there with it too. As long as you don't overdo your AI doses, like take 5 caps a day and then just stop taking it, you won't see any estrogen side effects IMO.
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    Erase is very solid, and Triazole is absolutely amazing
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    Define "natural" test booster?

    I kind of consider HCGenerate and Phtoserm to be "natural" - is that incorrect?

    Anyway - I'm on "tour" of these test boosters ... did a month of HCGenerate and now I'm on my second week of Phytoserm. Next will be Activate.

    I don't think any one product will work forever on you - best to cycle on and off them.

    They are all working pretty good so far but I tell you - I think that Toremefene PCT I was doing was boosting my test also - because I just went off it and don't feel so "Spartacus" anymore.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FL3X MAGNUM View Post
    That's your problem is you relied on simply an OTC PCT supplement, which is only meant to support your PCT and not serve as a standalone. Shoulda went with a serm for superdrol.

    But yeah Erase is lookin pretty good. And they've got that progressive sale on nutra for it. I picked up two bottles. You could throw a test booster like activate or some DAA in there with it too. As long as you don't overdo your AI doses, like take 5 caps a day and then just stop taking it, you won't see any estrogen side effects IMO.
    Yea i know i should have..but its too late now. Live and learn.

    Yea Erase looks solid. I just want the least possible risks. I weigh 205 pounds 6' tall. If i were to get a natural test booster should i start out with around 2-3 caps per day and toward the end be taking like 1-2 a day? So my body would ween off of it?

    And is an anti-E like Erase going to have the same effects as a natural test booster since it will free up test anyways? Just maybe less intense.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HondaV65 View Post
    Define "natural" test booster?

    I kind of consider HCGenerate and Phtoserm to be "natural" - is that incorrect?

    Anyway - I'm on "tour" of these test boosters ... did a month of HCGenerate and now I'm on my second week of Phytoserm. Next will be Activate.

    I don't think any one product will work forever on you - best to cycle on and off them.

    They are all working pretty good so far but I tell you - I think that Toremefene PCT I was doing was boosting my test also - because I just went off it and don't feel so "Spartacus" anymore.
    Well...when i say natural i guess i mean taking something that isn't harmful to your body. Something that doesn't harm internal organs, something your body might make some of already but this is a greater amount etc...

    Talking safety and side effects here. I get decent gains from just taking a pre-workout and good nutrition. And my body reacts extremely well to supplements. Looking for a little something extra.
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    How much MG were u on? and LLL I've never even heard of.. what kind of stores will sell them anyways? lol. And there pct didn't work? I'm very confused now.
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    Nutra has TCF-1 and Erase on special right now.

    TCF-1 is a natty test booster (DAA product)

    And no offense but running that cycle without a serm was sorta retarded. I hope you recover from the surgery well and do some damn research before putting stuff in your body
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    Quote Originally Posted by Orangatang View Post
    Nutra has TCF-1 and Erase on special right now.

    TCF-1 is a natty test booster (DAA product)

    And no offense but running that cycle without a serm was sorta retarded. I hope you recover from the surgery well and do some damn research before putting stuff in your body
    Ok ill look into those as well.

    And i didn't know what a serm was 2 years ago...I didn't know much of anything about hardcore supplements. I trusted the guys at complete nutrition. They told me i had nothing to worry about. They didn't even tell me that it was hormonal or anything of that sort, they just fed me bull**** and i bought into it. Said all i needed was the re-cycle and i would be ok. Bunch of money monger liars. They all deserve to be taken out back and shot old yeller style.
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    Quote Originally Posted by zwilliby View Post
    Ok ill look into those as well.

    And i didn't know what a serm was 2 years ago...I didn't know much of anything about hardcore supplements. I trusted the guys at complete nutrition. They told me i had nothing to worry about. They didn't even tell me that it was hormonal or anything of that sort, they just fed me bull**** and i bought into it. Said all i needed was the re-cycle and i would be ok. Bunch of money monger liars. They all deserve to be taken out back and shot old yeller style.
    This is true, those dudes only want to push product they dont know sh!t. and im currently on DAA, dude you are gonna like it. My nuts are feeling pretty big and strength has also increased. Its a nice product for the price.
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    Take a look at Isatori Isa-Test. It doesn't get brought up for some reason but it is a legit T booster and anti e. I've been using it for 5 weeks with no sides. In another few weeks the good people at APS will have a new test booster that should be huge if it delivers as suggested. You can find it on sale here at Nutraplanet for $31.99. That will cover 4 weeks or so. I have been told that 8 weeks is the best amount of time to really get the results I wanted.
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    COME ON MAN!?? Haven't you learned your lesson? It would probably be wise if you stay away from test boosting products of any kind. Get some creatine and maybe some bet-alanine and Get results the old fashion way... WORK!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flaw View Post
    COME ON MAN!?? Haven't you learned your lesson? It would probably be wise if you stay away from test boosting products of any kind. Get some creatine and maybe some bet-alanine and Get results the old fashion way... WORK!

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    Quote Originally Posted by zwilliby View Post
    Yea i know i should have..but its too late now. Live and learn.

    Yea Erase looks solid. I just want the least possible risks. I weigh 205 pounds 6' tall. If i were to get a natural test booster should i start out with around 2-3 caps per day and toward the end be taking like 1-2 a day? So my body would ween off of it?

    And is an anti-E like Erase going to have the same effects as a natural test booster since it will free up test anyways? Just maybe less intense.
    This all sounds pretty accurate.
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    Quote Originally Posted by always_hungry View Post
    How much MG were u on? and LLL I've never even heard of.. what kind of stores will sell them anyways? lol. And there pct didn't work? I'm very confused now.
    Not quite sure of the amount dosage other than that it was 2 sublingual tablets per day. LLL is sold by complete nutrition which is a predominantly midwestern supplement store. And no there PCT didn't work...not well enough. I didn't crash or anything but i got the gyno.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Flaw View Post
    COME ON MAN!?? Haven't you learned your lesson? It would probably be wise if you stay away from test boosting products of any kind. Get some creatine and maybe some bet-alanine and Get results the old fashion way... WORK!

    Well i've got animal pump...which has the creatine and everything else in it. And i take whey, a multi, and fish oil. I work hard in the gym, and am very motivated. Nothing wrong with wanting a slight edge is there? Haha. 5 decazol and Erase and most test boosters are on different planets as far as sides and risks go....

    Just trying to grab info before i try anything, or if i try anything.

    I'm going to see my surgeon this week and figure out if my gland was removed or not...if it was removed its game on
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    Quote Originally Posted by zwilliby View Post
    Nothing wrong with wanting a slight edge is there? Haha. 5 decazol and Erase and most test boosters are on different planets as far as sides and risks go....

    Just trying to grab info before i try anything, or if i try anything.

    I'm going to see my surgeon this week and figure out if my gland was removed or not...if it was removed its game on
    Risks vs rewards brother. What have you gained and what have you lost? Was it worth it? If the gyno comes back what will you learn then? The gains will be very minimal on a "natty" test product. Gains that you can get or exceed with creatine. Don't buy into the hype like you did the first time. Just trying to help a brother out
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    For a natty y-booster/AI I would go with Sustain Alpha or Erase both accomplish what you are looking for.

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    what about the triple crown stack that is a natrual test booster stack right.
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    Quote Originally Posted by benjiman View Post
    what about the triple crown stack that is a natrual test booster stack right.
    yes it is, and if you wanna get the most bang for your buck, its decent, but if u have extra money and ur looking to spend it on a nice stack, i suggest Free Test + Sustain Alpha + Toco 8
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    Quote Originally Posted by Flaw View Post
    Risks vs rewards brother. What have you gained and what have you lost? Was it worth it? If the gyno comes back what will you learn then? The gains will be very minimal on a "natty" test product. Gains that you can get or exceed with creatine. Don't buy into the hype like you did the first time. Just trying to help a brother out
    Yea i know you are just trying to help, and i really appreciate it. And no, it wasn't worth it.

    For whatever reason it changed my entire body type from being thin to thick (more muscular overall) when i took the deca and i have been able to gain muscle really easy ever since.

    I don't know if some sort of chemical experiment went on inside my body, but the end result changed me some. But for the gyno...it wasn't worth it. The psychological effects really damaged me. I got made fun of and was so embarassed for the past 2 years and i hated looking in the mirror to see my boobs.

    I know that there is no replacement for hard work, form and knowledge. But im going to the surgeon on wednesday so all will be solved.

    Thanks again
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    Quote Originally Posted by R1balla View Post
    yes it is, and if you wanna get the most bang for your buck, its decent, but if u have extra money and ur looking to spend it on a nice stack, i suggest Free Test + Sustain Alpha + Toco 8
    I looked into the triple crown stack as well. It looks pretty solid for dang cheap. Ill see bout the free test, sustain alpha, and toco 8. Are they that much different though?
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    Wow... what were the ignredients to your pct? I'm very sorry to hear that... I'm actually thinking about trying D-BOL... but I'm a bit scared of gyno even though my friend says I won't get it after the pct... but I need to gain 40 more pounds to be 220+... Sigh.
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    Quote Originally Posted by always_hungry View Post
    Wow... what were the ignredients to your pct? I'm very sorry to hear that... I'm actually thinking about trying D-BOL... but I'm a bit scared of gyno even though my friend says I won't get it after the pct... but I need to gain 40 more pounds to be 220+... Sigh.
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    Quote Originally Posted by R1balla View Post
    yes it is, and if you wanna get the most bang for your buck, its decent, but if u have extra money and ur looking to spend it on a nice stack, i suggest Free Test + Sustain Alpha + Toco 8
    yea i may look into this after the triple crown stack.i really like to use the best with money not being a factor at all.but it can get reall reall confussing trying to decide on what to take and buy together.i do not want any thing that meases with my natrual test or thyroid at all or anything you need a pct after at all.
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    Quote Originally Posted by always_hungry View Post
    Wow... what were the ignredients to your pct? I'm very sorry to hear that... I'm actually thinking about trying D-BOL... but I'm a bit scared of gyno even though my friend says I won't get it after the pct... but I need to gain 40 more pounds to be 220+... Sigh.
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    Thats what was in the pct...but the fact that 5 deca was halodrol and superdrol combined which both are really suppressive i don't think it helped enough. I've heard of great results with dbol, one of my friends juices and he has had really good luck with dbol. But he also got a minor case of gyno from it. No joke. And he is a very experienced juicer. Dbol is going to aromatize pretty bad. I would go with anavar, winstrol, or deca if you want something safer.
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    Quote Originally Posted by zwilliby View Post
    Yea i know you are just trying to help, and i really appreciate it. And no, it wasn't worth it.

    For whatever reason it changed my entire body type from being thin to thick (more muscular overall) when i took the deca and i have been able to gain muscle really easy ever since.

    I don't know if some sort of chemical experiment went on inside my body, but the end result changed me some. But for the gyno...it wasn't worth it. The psychological effects really damaged me. I got made fun of and was so embarassed for the past 2 years and i hated looking in the mirror to see my boobs.

    I know that there is no replacement for hard work, form and knowledge. But im going to the surgeon on wednesday so all will be solved.

    Thanks again
    If you can push for blood work for hormones. Maybe see a endocrinologist. Get your free and total test checked, estrogen, and progesterone. Based on those levels we can form a game plan for you. Like I said though I think it's a time to not get hormonally involved whatsoever.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Flaw View Post
    If you can push for blood work for hormones. Maybe see a endocrinologist. Get your free and total test checked, estrogen, and progesterone. Based on those levels we can form a game plan for you. Like I said though I think it's a time to not get hormonally involved whatsoever.
    I had my test levels checked a year back and they were normal. I'm not sure if they would have all the other info, and if they did it wouldn't be current since it was a year ago. Since i'm not fully healed i.e. My nipples are still sore and sensitive and my scars are red and raised, it would probably be best to wait.

    I got hit in the left nip by a girl yesterday and i just about passed out.

    If my test levels are normal i would expect my estro levels to be normal as well. And since i have crazy libido and peter pecker doesn't have a problem standing to attention i'm pretty positive i'm normal as far as hormones go. Blood work wouldn't be a horrible idea though.
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    You need a complete comprehensive hormone panel, best to go see an endo.

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    You need a complete comprehensive hormone panel, best to go see an endo.
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    Quote Originally Posted by zwilliby View Post
    Ok. Expensive?
    I do believe there is a thread on how to get bloodwork done without insurance.

    Check out this thread. Cheap Bloodwork - How to Get It WITHOUT Insurance
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    I have insurance, thats not a problem. Sometime stuff can still be expensive though. Its prob just a 20 co-pay to see the doc and then a small fee for bloods. I've got pretty good health insurance....it paid for my gyno surgery! 90/10
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    Quote Originally Posted by zwilliby View Post
    I have insurance, thats not a problem. Sometime stuff can still be expensive though. Its prob just a 20 co-pay to see the doc and then a small fee for bloods. I've got pretty good health insurance....it paid for my gyno surgery! 90/10
    Well it would most likely be a specialist copay. Your insurance company will want you to get a referral from your GP. Specialist copays usually run 10-20 more than your GP copay. If you have the insurance get it done, it's worth it.

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