Finally, something that works for me for sleep!!
Do I have to cycle this stuff of take 1-2 days off per week?
I'm in my 40's
Do I have to cycle this stuff of take 1-2 days off per week?
I'm in my 40's
Hope I can help. For starters, do you snore? What are your bedroom conditions, time of sleep/wake, pre-bed diet, and supplementation like?
Melatoin, btw, is a hormone secreted by the pineal gland,and constant exposure to light has been found to decrease production of melatonin. Which, of course means, that spending time in bright light prior to bed is counterproductive as far as sleep is concerned. Behaviorially, dimming the lights in the evening and avoiding tv and computer screens before bed might help increase melatonin secretion (I think). If they fail to actually boost melatonin levels, I do know that the above mentioned light sources contain wavelengths of light that are actually alerting in nature, which is exactly what you don't want for good sleep. Sleeping/ falling asleep with the tv on is not advised, obviously. A book is your best friend if you're dying for pre-bed entertainment.
Oh, and some other questions: What do you do for a living? Do you sleep alone or w/ a partner? Pets? Allergies? Bedroom location?
As for the nightlights, that is a pretty bright source of light, even indirectly. You might try a nightlight in a soft yellow, orange, or red, or even one of those kid's doo-dads (there's a sophisticated medical term) that cycles between several colors. I wonder if the repetition of the color cycle may actually help him sleep.ahhh the man i needed to talk to... i have a 7yr old that lives 50% of the time with us, he is scared of the dark obviously and is getting his own rom again for the first time in a few months, he is very used to snuggling with his mom at night when he stays over. we have a body pillow that was his moms so it smells like her, we gave that to him hoping it wil feel like he is cuddling with her, also we put in a night light but it isnt very bright for him, right now he sleeps with teh bathroom light on which is 2 CFL around 100W each, and is about 6ft from his head, and around a corner so it isnt too bright, we have a standing lamp that has a flexible lamp on it as well, we were thinking of leaving the flexible lamp on shinning in his closet which faces away from him, what type of light bulb is best for making him not scared of the dark but wont interfere with his hormones for sleep.
also opinions on Calms Forte 4kids?
you are a savior man, seriously id say 90% of americans have sleep problems. my dad has sleep apnea knows it but wont treat it! grrawh!!!!
I'd be willing to put money it.This thread can turn legendary, real fast.
I snore and have sometimes found myself waking up due to my own snoring (as I'm falling asleep, not while I'm in deep sleep). My GF tells me that when I fall asleep I always snore, then I'll like choke on my own breath, and stop snoring for awhile.
I always have a dry mouth when I wakeup and always find myself breathing through my mouth.
Do I have sleep apnea? My neck is also 18".
This thread can turn legendary, real fast.
see the bold above as well as below...As for the nightlights, that is a pretty bright source of light, even indirectly. You might try a nightlight in a soft yellow, orange, or red, or even one of those kid's doo-dads (there's a sophisticated medical term) that cycles between several colors. I wonder if the repetition of the color cycle may actually help him sleep.
I looked into the calms forte. I nearly stopped when the word "homeopathic" came up. Not to turn this into a debate on the effectiveness of homeopathy, but I'm NOT a fan of it. Waste of money IMHO, but I don't think it will harm your child to try it, assuming they have no existing allergies to anything in the pills. There is at least one RCT I am aware of using small (0.05mg/kg) doses of melatonin in kids with some success, but I would be leery of starting kids on that without physician evaluation and the use of other behavioral modalities first.
Generally speaking, healthy kids probably don't have physiologic reason for insomnia. Rather, they are associated with psychological things ranging from pushing boundaries to the above-mentioned changing environments and separation from familiar sleep triggers.
Does Junior have an established bed-time routine? A nightly ritual consisting of the same events over and over can actually help initiate sleep. For instance: bath time, reading, and then bed. I'd avoid tv for the last hour prior to bed, and if he has one in his room, it's gotta go.
Back to that nightly routine. A lot of insomnia issues in kids, like I mentioned, are behavioral in nature, and seem to respond to behavioral interventions. In actuality, the nightly administration of a "sleeping pill" is not unlike other behavioral interventions, especially if the pill actually has no effect other than placebo. completely agreed, yes he has a bed time with us but no routine yet as i dont sleep over the nights he is home but we have a routine planned, basically story-time/cuddle time with mom while i shower at 830 everynight, then sleep at 845, he has a tv but hasnt even turned it on yet as its new to his room in the new house, and yes it is psychological for sure, jsut trying to avoid his crappy sleeping habits from messing up girlfriends and my sleeping habits as much as possible as sleep is very important to us both and we know that
I'm not a parent yet, and although I know that kids can be a bear to fight with when it comes to bedtime, the establishment of a regular bed time (hint: 10pm is way too late) helps to regulate the kids' circadian rhythm, and after the break-in period, it's much easier to initiate sleep in a timely manner, not to mention make waking up in the morning easier. Sleep deprivation in kids has also been linked to ADHD and obesity, and that's just what we're beginning to find out.
Hopefully my rantings make a bit of sense. In short, avoid the pills, find a softer light that's not white or blue, and establish a bedtime routine. Consult a physician if insomnia continues or if Junior snores horribly.
It took me almost 3 months, but the newer masks are much more comfortable, IMHO. I was 22 when I was diagnosed, and was pretty resistant due to thinking the mask would be not "teh hawtness" for the ladies. I only persisted due to a a strong cardiac history in my family. Everything else was secondary at that point.How in the heck did you ever get used to sleeping with that CPAP?
I certainly understand. My first thought is to keep up the bedtime routine and implement small, incremental changes over a couple of months.see the bold above as well as below...
i cant do a softer light as he'll be scared of the dark still thats my main issue....he has no insomnia its just he wants his mom and he needs to adjsut i was hoping to make the adjustment easier as i know its going to take a few months, but i dont want to throw our lives away for a few months if we dont have too.. y a know?
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Another good thing is to workout in the morning instead of evening if you can, it is hard to sleep in a hyper-inflammatory state with catecholamines such as adrenalin on the rise. You can try reading a book to help you and if you try sleeping and can't sleep, get up, go do something downstairs for a short bit and come back up and try sleeping again. Only use the bedroom for sleep and sex, don't use it for watching TV or other things as your body associates that incorrectly.
Good luck!
LOL :biggthumpup:and was pretty resistant due to thinking the mask would be not "the hawtness" for the ladies.
Good question. As a sleep tech, I do the sleep studies, but I don't do much else. The risk factors I mentioned above come from data extracted from large-scale studies, such as the "sleep-heart-health" study, in which researchers monitored a population of patients for quite some time after offering free sleep studies to participants. Some participants were positive for sleep apnea and complied w/ CPAP treatment, others did not. Morbidity/mortality rates in the groups were compiled after several years and drew a strong link between untreated SDB (sleep disordered breathing) and strokes, MIs, and other rather unpleasant outcomes.SARGUY:
How do you test the cardiac risk factors that are specific for sleep related disorders? Specifically, what is done, what tests are ordered?
My blood tests and cardia enzymes come back normal. BUT I am not certain I requested the correct tests as I always simply do basic heart health blood studies along with my other interests (kidney, liver, lipid profile and prostate).
HOLY COW man, your experience will lend itself invaluably here on these boards. I would GUESS that up to 50% of the members here have sleep issues!!!!!!!!
Perhaps you can write a comprehensive intelligent "from my experience" type post/thread hinting at ALL things thast actually work for all of us. That would be HUGE
Certainly true for some, but not definitely for all.Hope that answered your question.
That's because a bunch of people are taking in high amounts of stimulants in PWOs that then screws up their sleep.
Ditto thanks for making this thread! I mean who woulda thought a freaking sleep doctor would have commented lolSC: Haha Good to see ya brother
Indeed.. If you'll excuse me I have some reading to do lolDitto Ditto Ditto. Problems out the wazoo for me too. Oh well, gotta figure this crap out dang it!
holy crap you are a genius!!!!! my Gf loves that i get to talk to you about this and Frank too....I certainly understand. My first thought is to keep up the bedtime routine and implement small, incremental changes over a couple of months.
1. Make sure the bulb is a warm color, not stark white, or blue/white/ "daylight" spectrum lights. Go w/ incandescent bulbs for this (this is important later).
2. Go ahead and get some sort of night-light anyway, and place it in the room. At this point, I'd have both the bright light on, as well as the night light.
3. Consider some age appropriate books about being afraid of the dark. I recall having a book about Franklin, a turtle who was so afraid of the dark, he was afraid to be inside his own shell. Not that we need to clobber the kid over the head with literature stating, "you don't need a bright light to sleep"; perhaps a different slant might help.
4. Switch the bright light to a lamp with a rheostat/dimmer or buy one to put on the desk lamp. After he's used to the new color bulb, gradually dim the light over the course of a few weeks. I wouldn't even mention it to him, and try to make the dimming so subtle that he doesn't notice. Hopefully a gradual shift will make the adoption of a softer light more palatable.
5. Another option to consider is giving him a flashlight to use in concert with a softer night light instead of having the really bright light illuminating his entire room. This would give him a "weapon" to use against the dark, so to speak.
What's your sleep/wake schedule like? Pre-bed habits? Snoring? Creepy,crawly legs around bed time? stimulant timing? Bedroom evironment (light or dark, warm or cold)?Ditto Ditto Ditto. Problems out the wazoo for me too. Oh well, gotta figure this crap out dang it!
The cardiac enzymes are only going to be indicative of cardiac necrosis so that won't tell you much honestly. They do those sorts of test after an MI (heart attack) so unless there is that necrotic tissue there isn't much there. I am not a sleep expert, I am in the general medical field, not a specialty so there may be a more indicative enzyme marker they are looking for but none that I know of for the heart other than troponin and CKB.SARGUY:
How do you test the cardiac risk factors that are specific for sleep related disorders? Specifically, what is done, what tests are ordered?
My blood tests and cardia enzymes come back normal. BUT I am not certain I requested the correct tests as I always simply do basic heart health blood studies along with my other interests (kidney, liver, lipid profile and prostate).
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