Avant Labs Lipoderm Ultra or Lipoderm-Y?
- 06-27-2004, 02:13 PM
Avant Labs Lipoderm Ultra or Lipoderm-Y?
I am looking for a targeted fat loss substance to reduce some unwanted chest fat. I found both of these products (Lipoderm Ultra and Lipoderm-Y) on the Black Star Labs website. I was wondering, what's the difference between the two of them? Which one is more effective? Are there any side-effects, and if so, what are they? Any help you can provide on this subject would be great. Thanks!
- 06-27-2004, 03:34 PM
run a search here, or better yet, you will probably find more information running a search at the Avant Labs forum... although it won't be very biased most likely
06-27-2004, 05:34 PM
avant has a 20% off sale on a bunch of products right now. I think a bottle of lipoderm is $20 directly from the website right now, you should check it out.
06-29-2004, 03:01 PM
Does anybody know if Lipoderm actually works?
I just did a couple searches, neither of which succeeded in answering my question.
Last edited by Holmes; 06-29-2004 at 03:29 PM.
06-29-2004, 03:52 PM
Lipoderm ultra is basically lipoderm-y with caffeine & other diuretics added & costs a lot more. Yohimbine causes local water retention & the diuretics counter that. The cheapest way to do it is get the lipoderm-y & add a few grams of caffeine powder yourself.
I have used both & they work. I am usually pretty lean, they probably work better the more BF% you have. Works best with ECA or cutting supps & a calorie deficit, it will not work miracles with no change in diet, training, etc.
06-29-2004, 03:56 PM
it works well, I've used it on my love handles, and my girlfriend has used it on her legs and it's worked well.Originally Posted by Holmes
06-29-2004, 03:59 PM
Thanks! This is good news, as I recently picked up a bottle of ultra.
The only other concern I'd have is the potential effects on the liver. Any thoughts?
06-29-2004, 04:01 PM
07-04-2004, 12:20 AM
i am currently doing an ECY stack where i take in 2.5-5g of Yohimbine HCL orally, if i decide to use one of the lipoderm products should i stop taking yohimbine orally?
07-04-2004, 01:32 AM
Do you guys apply it pre workout too? Taking into account the 2 hour window. How do you know what to choose with lipoderm, lipoderm ultra, absolved etc on the market.
07-04-2004, 05:46 AM
No, do not take it preworkout as the sweating caused by the WO will hinder the absorption of the product. As for which avant topical fat loss product to choose, ab-solved is best on VAT fat, which is the fat UNDER muscle.... look at my avatar, that guy could use some ab-solved. However the Lipo series is best when used for subQ fat, which isthe fat OVER muscle. Most chest fat, etc. falls into this category. So basically it depends on what type of fat you are trying to get rid of.Originally Posted by lionel
Hope that helps.
07-04-2004, 06:56 AM
WTF is that guy? Its sick.. is it really fat under muscle or a bloated gut? Yup, you did help. Thansk a lot!
07-04-2004, 11:41 AM
This exactly what I have always done. Lipo-Y(beta) at the AL site is Lipo-Y + 4.5g C (was $20 when I got my stash).Originally Posted by Longdog
07-21-2004, 12:59 AM
07-21-2004, 06:24 AM
The caffeine in the Lipo-Y works as a local diuretic. The Y will often cause water retention in the area of application. The caffeine is intended to help reduce this. So as with the Y being local delivery and not systemic, the caffeine is as well.
07-29-2004, 08:12 PM
07-30-2004, 12:30 AM
I noticed some pretty significant systemic effects from Lipoderm Y. Then I added about 6-7 grams of caffeine and was flllyying. I find transdermal caffeine to be a rather nice stimulant. No jitters, just alertness for many hours.
The mixture did seem to reduce sub Q fat when used with cardio.
07-30-2004, 07:28 PM
08-01-2004, 04:39 PM
Interesting. I tried a homebrew and it didnt work at all.Originally Posted by Longdog
6 G yohimbine hcl
2 grams caffeine
08-01-2004, 04:39 PM
08-01-2004, 06:01 PM
No offense, but there is a whole lot more to the AL trandermal used in Lipo-Y than the ingredients you used.Originally Posted by EdgeNo, they should not be used simultaniously (read...applied on the same area) but they can be used alternately (read...switch one for the other).Originally Posted by Edge
IOW use Y in the AM, and AB-Solved in the PM. Or Y one day and AB-Solved the next, rotating days. I use each, one week at a time. I find that every time I start up the AB-Solved again, it knocks another ~1/2" off my stomach/waist line. I always respond much better to AB-Solved than Lipo-Y.
Also, keep in mind, Lipo-Y is not a "fat burner" but "fat mobilizer" where it frees the fat from the area of application to be used for fuel when in significant deficit. A very significant deficit (caloric/energy expenditure) is a necessity when using Lipo-Y.
08-01-2004, 07:30 PM
No offense but I wasnt really planning to go and buy every single ingredient. Yohimbine is the main ingredient, caffeine is the diuretic.Originally Posted by b5150
08-01-2004, 08:54 PM
I understand your point. Keep in mind that Yohimbine and caffeine are the actives. My point is that unless you have a quality transdermal gel (a quality homebrew recipe or retail purchase) you will in no way get those actives to penetrate you skin properly or sufficiently to be effective. Furthermore if the transdermal is bogus than the effectiveness of the actives will be bogus as well...hence the potential for poor to no results.Originally Posted by Edge
So as stated above, it may be best to buy the Lipo-Y and add the caffeine. Or for that matter Avant has their new Lipo-Y w/caffeine (beta) going to final and available at retailers very shortly. Might even be able to spike some more Y into it as well.
Last edited by David Dunn; 08-01-2004 at 09:28 PM.
08-01-2004, 10:45 PM
08-02-2004, 03:23 PM
Par basically said in one post he didn't think his stuff was selling good enough due to "lack of fancy ingredients" so he threw in a bunch of filler when he released the new versions.
08-02-2004, 05:07 PM
08-02-2004, 10:16 PM
If you go hit up all the old issues of M&M and the avant forums you will find it, sorry I just don't have time to dig. It might have been Dante not par but I distinctly remember reading it from on of them on their site.
08-03-2004, 02:26 PM
We have never released a product with ingredient filler...ever. Anyone with a brain can analyze each and every ingredient and can figure out exactly why it is included.Originally Posted by cr4ytonic
For us to release something useless, and with the intelligence of our members/customers, we would be exposed in about 4 seconds and our reputation ruined.
You are mistaken.
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08-03-2004, 02:52 PM
08-03-2004, 03:16 PM
Glad the avant crew is quick to defend its own... and imply anyone who says otherwise does not have a brain.
I was partly incorrect, the coments I made refer to leptigen2 and not Lipoderm, It is difficult to keep everything I have previously read on that site straight in my head. However if they adopt a policy once of changing something due to lack of "flashy ingredients" once, they are likely to use it again and I stand by my claim.
From Mind and Muscle Q&A:
I like Avant Labs, and in general trust par et al. However you can see for yourself here from the horse's mouth that the product was changed to add flashy ingredients.Q. How much better and different will LeptiGen2 be?
A. It will be quite a bit different.
Flaws with the original:
Lack of flashy ingredients -- even if no one was using one single ingredient for leptin reasons and had no idea of dosing, whatsoever, there is still a large segment that view it as a rip-off, regardless of efficacy, because they had heard of the ingredients before.
All will be remedied.
Yes the Q.A. section specifies it is "A healthy mix of fake questions, real answers, vice-versa, and everything in between." but I think it is safe to say this was a "real answer".
I apologize for incorrectly refering to the lipoderm line when I was talking about leptigen. I would think you avant folks owe me an apology as well, given the above.
I believe it is you who are mistaken.