Are Digestive Enzymes... really... necessary?
- 12-27-2010, 04:56 PM
Are Digestive Enzymes... really... necessary?
I have been a user and even advocate of Digestive Enzymes for quite a long time, relying on them while prepping for contests in hopes of achieving higher nutrient utilization/absorption and prior to cheat meals or red-meat meals etc to assist in the break down and assimilation.
That being said... I am curious on the scientific take regarding these additives and if they serve a necessitated utility in the diet, worthy of being implemented long-term and daily.
Our body, as described by medical counselor during my last appointment, does not have a rate-limited reserve of enzymes, but can rather produce an unlimited amount of enzymes to handily breakdown and digest meals with efficient ease... so why add more? Is this a largely misunderstood exercise in futility?
- 12-27-2010, 06:31 PM
Can't speak for everyone. I do have digestion problems, so enzymes helps me digest better. I like Ginger root too because it is one of very few substances that speed up gastric emptying.
There are things you will never feel if you are healthy, so you will always question the reason behind taking them. And you most likely do not need them if healthy. But if you have digestiive problems like I do, certain things help a lot. Pineapples, apples, ginger root, and digestive enzymes. However, I don take them when I am not having digestive problems.
- 12-27-2010, 06:33 PM
Also, keep in mind, in perfect world, our body works perfectly. But the reality is that our body is flawed. We are lactose sensitive, we have digestive problems, we do not process certain aminos or vitamins.. Etc. Even though the body is supposed to function properly, it doesn't always do so.
12-27-2010, 06:53 PM
After a Doctor looked at my blood he recommended me to take Plant Enzymes to absorb the protien better. Anyone used Plant enzymes, or what supplements do you use?
12-27-2010, 08:31 PM
It is my understanding that the body's ability to efficiently produce an adequate supply of digestive enzymes begins to decline with age. Stephen Spindler's lab has been conducting a very large scale experiment/analysis on various life extension compounds over the last couple years with final results not expected for another year or two. Over 200 compounds were filtered through a Drosophila screening system before the final compounds were selected to be supplemented in mice. In a presentation he gave which I saw on YouTube he mentioned a handful of the compounds that were showing the best results and one of those was LEF's Digestive Enzymes product.
12-27-2010, 08:37 PM
VERY good discussion and solid points so far guys! Keep it up. *REPS to EVERYONE who contributes in this thread!
Does a training otherwise healthy 20-30yr old male, who consumes copious calories and supplements, need to take digestive enzymes to realize maximal absorption of both nutrients and nutraceuticals?
THAT is the question
12-27-2010, 08:53 PM
Lets put it like this, there are way too MANY factors to whether or not taking digestive enzymes are needed, as pointed out earlier, as one gets older; the amount of digestive enzymes decline within the system. I once read an article that researchers are not too fund of overcnosuming probiotics as it may slow down production of endogenous stomach fighting bacteria digestive enzymes. The biggest way to prevent issues with the stomach is preventing inflammation. Taking Krill oil, bromelain, curcunim, and magnesium will all help counter the effects of inflammation.
12-27-2010, 09:01 PM
Krill Oil is also 99.9% of the way toward becoming a hallmark in my lifelong supplementation plans.
I do not take or have an attraction toward probiotics... I should have started this thread by asking if THE FOLLOWING are of advantage and necessitated by training 20-30yr old males:
12-27-2010, 09:10 PM
Those three are a standard and have success behind them, although unless one has a high protein diet such as bber, protease won't be too necessary, a nice additon for red meat though.
12-27-2010, 09:37 PM
Any more contributions or opinions are welcomed!
How does this look?
Acid Protease 4 SAPU
Bromelain 5 GDU
Fungal Amylase 1,750 SKB
Fungal Protease I 2,200 HUT
Fungal Protease II 750 HU
Lactase 100 ALU
Lipase 250 FIP
Invertase 250 Sumner
Papain 1,500 TU
Betaine HCL 150mg
Pepsin 1:10,000 25mg
Bromelain 2400 GDU/gm 25mg
Papain 36,000 PU/GM 25mg
Marshmallow Extract 4:1
Peppermint Extract 4:1
Ginger Root Extract (5% gingerols)
Black Pepper (95% extract)
12-27-2010, 09:41 PM
I just eat alot of yogurt with active cultures, helps, so no need for me to use any digestive enzymes
12-27-2010, 09:50 PM
12-27-2010, 09:54 PM
12-27-2010, 10:01 PM
I cannot say if digestive enzymes actually help but if I am low on fiber (rare) or eating bad food due to traveling (now), I will take my NOW digestive enzymes for a few weeks after to help me as I shift my diet back to cleanliness. Also I always run them when I cut.
12-27-2010, 10:04 PM
I truly believe in Systemic enzymes, not only do the help with the stomach but hey ail in inflammation big time as well as helping fix nagging injuries and scar tissue.
12-27-2010, 10:28 PM
12-28-2010, 12:04 AM
12-28-2010, 12:46 AM
12-28-2010, 11:56 AM
So the runs are actually a byproduct of NOT digesting properly... because when I increase my protein consumption and reduce my carbohydrate (and subsequently fiber) intake, I notice I can go days on end without a solid stool.
12-28-2010, 11:59 AM
- 5'10" 220 lbs.
- Join Date
- Jan 2006
Taking pre/pro-biotics is just as important. I also eat pineapple daily for the bromelain and have done so for years.
M.Ed. Ex Phys
12-28-2010, 01:03 PM
I used to rely on yogurt by mixing it with my protein rich shakes but still it was not enough. What I realized are two things: If you are a normal person on a normal diet then you probably do not need any additional enzymes. If you are a bodybuilder on a high caloric diet for bulking for example, then I think most people would benefit from adding enzymes. Personally, as my caloric intake increased, digestion became a problem and bloating became an issue associated with improper digestion. Enzymes did provide me with the relief and comfort that the food I am consuming will not go to waste.
Secondly, our bodies are not used to digesting junk food (fast food, deli stuff ..etc.) with all the artificial ingredients added. I personally think that people who are not 100% on a healthy, natural diet and consume adequate amount of their calorie from fast food, then enzymes would surely help.
For thousands of years, people always believed that most ailments and diseases occur and start from the stomach, which is why should watch what we eat, quantity consumes are important for maintaining a good health. Sadly, we are reaching an era where people are having problems digesting lactase, beef, beans …etc (many food allergies) and I think enzymes will play an important factor to help those people cope.
12-28-2010, 01:14 PM
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12-28-2010, 03:54 PM
12-28-2010, 05:25 PM
- 5'10" 220 lbs.
- Join Date
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M.Ed. Ex Phys
12-28-2010, 05:28 PM
My digestion is terrible (already), and I take probiotics every morning and digestive enzymes and other digestive aids with every meal.
For me, they're very necessary.
12-28-2010, 06:16 PM
I have tried regular digestive enzymes (protease, amylase, lipase), papaya enzyme, and betaine HCL for digestive problems and the HCL has helped the most. Suprisingly, the cheap papaya enzyme (only 4 bucks or so at trader joe's) did just as much for me as the digestive enzymes.
12-28-2010, 06:53 PM
12-28-2010, 07:17 PM
However, this thread is of interest to me as I've been on the fence about purchasing some digestive enzymes. Would digestive enzymes be what I'm looking for if I'm trying to combat my horrible, horrible gas from my protein/diet?
12-28-2010, 07:37 PM
As far as gas, I always have it - always. I never eat less than 300g of protein per day, so it's a constant challenge. I'm really not able to offer any valuable insight for the past hour or so, I've been listening to Louis CK on You Tube. I don't even know what I just typed about or if I made mistakes.
12-28-2010, 07:57 PM
12-28-2010, 08:07 PM
Also loose stools can be caused by the increase of bad bacteria in intestines, throwing off proper intestinal flora. In those cases probiotics can actually reduce loose stools by not allowing quick passing of food.
12-28-2010, 09:26 PM
I have digestion issues and the enzymes seem to help with emptying my stomach faster. I use NOW Digest Platinum. It is more expensive but the enzyme activity is off the charts and it has over a dozen different types and PH ranges. For example, speficic ones for specific proteins and carbs. Lipase activity is 3500 FIP, way more than most. I tried Super Enzymes but I guess the Betaine HCL jacks my stomach up bad.
12-28-2010, 09:31 PM
Reps to both of you, thanks for your thoughts!
12-28-2010, 09:44 PM
12-28-2010, 09:54 PM
12-29-2010, 07:24 PM
i find them to be quite helpful, Ive used some by NOW and will be using the Beverly product.
12-29-2010, 07:26 PM
I get diareah if I don't take them. I don't really think they help me with anabolism(maby a little) but they keep me from wearing my butthole away with constant diareah.
12-31-2010, 07:59 AM
12-31-2010, 08:32 AM
12-31-2010, 08:43 AM
Enzymedica Digest Gold is amazing. It's pricey and I only buy it on clearance.
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