Are Digestive Enzymes... really... necessary?

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  1. Quote Originally Posted by Outstanding View Post
    Reps coming your way. I have researched and ONLY ever seen encouraging feedback and science behind Bromelain!

    Krill Oil is also 99.9% of the way toward becoming a hallmark in my lifelong supplementation plans.

    I do not take or have an attraction toward probiotics... I should have started this thread by asking if THE FOLLOWING are of advantage and necessitated by training 20-30yr old males:

    -Protease
    -Amylase
    -Lipase
    They definitely help! Especially if ur trying to gain more muscle, so eating more food than what ur body is used to. This may cause stress on ur body and it may not be able to keep up with digestive enzymes release on its own. This is where xtra digstive help comes in. Speaking from my experience, I've felt like I'm able to digest more food and put it where it needs to go. I myself do a slice of papaya after each meal. Oh and whoever was asking, papaya doesn't really have any anti-inflammatory properties. I use it cause it's an all around digest supp.I also take a good probiotic, since I don't really eat yogurt. This also does wonders and I suggest to all if ur not eating yogurt. Heck ,enzymes and probiotics can help during cutting, helping food digestion and improving waste elimination.
    Also loose stools can be caused by the increase of bad bacteria in intestines, throwing off proper intestinal flora. In those cases probiotics can actually reduce loose stools by not allowing quick passing of food.


  2. I have digestion issues and the enzymes seem to help with emptying my stomach faster. I use NOW Digest Platinum. It is more expensive but the enzyme activity is off the charts and it has over a dozen different types and PH ranges. For example, speficic ones for specific proteins and carbs. Lipase activity is 3500 FIP, way more than most. I tried Super Enzymes but I guess the Betaine HCL jacks my stomach up bad.
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  3. Reps to both of you, thanks for your thoughts!

  4. Quote Originally Posted by Outstanding View Post
    Reps to both of you, thanks for your thoughts!
    Thanks. What is confusing as heck is that plant and animal-based enzyme activity is measured with different and sometimes inconsistent units. So it's hard to compare products. If some brainiac on here could help decipher that, I would rep them every day for weeks...

  5. Quote Originally Posted by ccnAbolic View Post
    Thanks. What is confusing as heck is that plant and animal-based enzyme activity is measured with different and sometimes inconsistent units. So it's hard to compare products. If some brainiac on here could help decipher that, I would rep them every day for weeks...
    Someone make up a fake answer and earn reps galore!
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  6. i find them to be quite helpful, Ive used some by NOW and will be using the Beverly product.

  7. I get diareah if I don't take them. I don't really think they help me with anabolism(maby a little) but they keep me from wearing my butthole away with constant diareah.

  8. Quote Originally Posted by kingdong View Post
    I get diareah if I don't take them. I don't really think they help me with anabolism(maby a little) but they keep me from wearing my butthole away with constant diareah.
    I seem like I always have diarreaha at least once a day... BUT I do eat a grapefruit in the morning, and that's MURDER on cleaning you out Case in point, I need to isolate what could be causing it. I consume 300g of protein daily from meals alone, not counting pre/intra workout powders and BCAAs, or Liver Tabs.

  9. Quote Originally Posted by Outstanding View Post
    I seem like I always have diarreaha at least once a day... BUT I do eat a grapefruit in the morning, and that's MURDER on cleaning you out Case in point, I need to isolate what could be causing it. I consume 300g of protein daily from meals alone, not counting pre/intra workout powders and BCAAs, or Liver Tabs.
    Do you use gms?

  10. Enzymedica Digest Gold is amazing. It's pricey and I only buy it on clearance.

  11. Quote Originally Posted by Ev52 View Post
    Enzymedica Digest Gold is amazing. It's pricey and I only buy it on clearance.
    You outta check out Digest Platinum by NOW. More types of enzymes, higher activity per enzyme and cheaper...

    I put in a request for Nutra to carry, btw...

  12. Quote Originally Posted by ccnAbolic View Post
    You outta check out Digest Platinum by NOW. More types of enzymes, higher activity per enzyme and cheaper...

    I put in a request for Nutra to carry, btw...
    Thanks!, I'll look into it.

  13. Quote Originally Posted by Outstanding View Post
    I seem like I always have diarreaha at least once a day... BUT I do eat a grapefruit in the morning, and that's MURDER on cleaning you out Case in point, I need to isolate what could be causing it. I consume 300g of protein daily from meals alone, not counting pre/intra workout powders and BCAAs, or Liver Tabs.
    Ive been looking fo ways to cut all pill binders. I think it's helping. And don't take any mgnesium supplements with low bioavailability.

  14. Logically speaking, I think that if you were to eat outside of "normal", it would seem beneficial to supplement with digestive enzymes. For example, consuming larger meals than normal, or meals that were higher in fat. I have no scientific backing on that but it seems logical to me.

  15. Quote Originally Posted by ccnAbolic View Post
    Do you use gms?
    Not for a few years... only Veg. Glycerine on upper body days; but my symptoms persist every day, in varying degrees of severity. I do notice my stools are much more solid on days I don't have grapefruit (which seems to be a natural laxative).

  16. Quote Originally Posted by kingdong View Post
    Ive been looking fo ways to cut all pill binders. I think it's helping. And don't take any mgnesium supplements with low bioavailability.
    Interesting, why Magnesium and also why the low bio-availability concern? I too wish I could cut all binders in my daily supplement ritual (such a waste)!

  17. I would say digestive enzymes and well as systemic are a great staple.

  18. ive used them before, i liked em they help keep bloating down and probiotics/yogurt are good too, digestion is the most important part of being healthy i feel

  19. Quote Originally Posted by fadi View Post
    Can't speak for everyone. I do have digestion problems, so enzymes helps me digest better. I like Ginger root too because it is one of very few substances that speed up gastric emptying.
    There are things you will never feel if you are healthy, so you will always question the reason behind taking them. And you most likely do not need them if healthy. But if you have digestiive problems like I do, certain things help a lot. Pineapples, apples, ginger root, and digestive enzymes. However, I don take them when I am not having digestive problems.
    Do you take Ginger root in supplement form, and if so, do you take it befor or after a meal?

    Also to thread contributors, whats the consensus for best brand/version of enzymes?

  20. Just speaking for myself,

    when I take Orange TRIad (multi that includes digestive enzymes) with or without meals, I do not get heart burn - especially after a large meal. I eat alot of large meals since I'm bulking.

    The days I miss or skip Orange TRIad unintentionally, I get heart burn.

    Thats just my .02. Seems like they're worth it to me

  21. Quote Originally Posted by spimp187 View Post
    Logically speaking, I think that if you were to eat outside of "normal", it would seem beneficial to supplement with digestive enzymes. For example, consuming larger meals than normal, or meals that were higher in fat. I have no scientific backing on that but it seems logical to me.
    Bingo!

  22. Not sure if this is OT or not!!?!

    Is there something that works for beans? BeanO and GasX = useless
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  23. Quote Originally Posted by Whacked View Post
    Not sure if this is OT or not!!?!

    Is there something that works for beans? BeanO and GasX = useless

    Not a rep and only speaking from experience: The bromelain and ginger in OT definitely help with protein breakdown and moving things through the GI quickly, respectively. I think MSM and Bilberry play a role as well. Strangely, the Bromelain is listed in the "flex support" rather than digestive on the bottle but trust me, it plays a role. Bromelain=meat tenderizer.

    I will also echo RenegadeRows statement that it is the only one I can take on an empty stomach without heartburn or vitamin burps.

    Lastly, I gets no beanfarts when I take digest platinum. It digests different types of fiber/carbs/proteins/etc.

  24. sorry outstanding for the hijack

    but you boys might need something to help with digestion after participating in this...

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  25. Quote Originally Posted by SouthernCharm View Post
    sorry outstanding for the hijack

    but you boys might need something to help with digestion after participating in this...

    YOKED UP! The Official AnabolicMinds Egg Eating Contest. VIDEO CONTEST!!!
    Hijacking approved

    Also, something else slightly off-topic, does any use or see the value in using once or twice a year, a nice (internal digestive tract) cleanser?

  26. Quote Originally Posted by fightbackhxc View Post
    I would say digestive enzymes and well as systemic are a great staple.
    Quote Originally Posted by SweetLou321 View Post
    ive used them before, i liked em they help keep bloating down and probiotics/yogurt are good too, digestion is the most important part of being healthy i feel
    Thanks guys, agreed!

    GREAT thread because of all of you!

  27. Thanks - now who makes "platinum" lolol

    Quote Originally Posted by ccnAbolic View Post
    Lastly, I gets no beanfarts when I take digest platinum. It digests different types of fiber/carbs/proteins/etc.
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  28. Quote Originally Posted by Whacked View Post
    Thanks - now who makes "platinum" lolol
    Now makes "digest platinum". Hate to sound like a broken record but anyone with digestive issues should really give them a try. None of the other products mentioned in this thread come even close on the actives. Some people may not need this product though especially if their current ones are working as these are a lil pricier.

  29. Thx ccn!
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  30. I will throw my thoughts into the mix.

    ccnAbolic- do you have any form of ulcer? Betaine HCL is contraindicated in those who have ulcerative tissues and can cause extreme pain. If you do have ulcerative tissue there is a doctor that has studied fresh white cabbage juice's role in stomach ulcers. The patients had complete healing from stomach ulcers and hospital bed time was less than a quarter of the time than it was for those treated with traditional anti-ulcer medications. The 'vitamin U' is the active responsible and I can attest for it's potency.

    For those who are healthy I highly recommend the HCL test that Charles Poliquin has written about. There was a rebuttal written from a GI doctor which was featured on TNation but the results that people with poor digestion have seen is enough for me to believe in it (myself included).

    As far as I am aware there is no negative feedback loop for digestive enzymes (protease, lipase etc) but the HCL supplementation can be used to replace the deficit from low levels and taper the supplements off as your own production increases. Gentian root is supposedly good for this as are many bitter herbs. If anyone knows more about feedback loops with supplemental enzymes I would love to hear it.

    Regarding gas from beans. I remember reading notes from a nutrition seminar where there was a genuine study on flatulence from eating a certain type of bean. As far as I remember participants were fed a certain dose of pulses per day and all flatulence seemed to stop at the 6 week mark. My memory on it is very vague as I only read cliff notes and can't remember what type of bean(s) was used.

    Outstanding- I am a huge fan of intestinal cleansing. I have experimented with a few of these, including colonic hydrotherapy and have had varying levels of success. I used to use laxatives before photoshoots to relieve any bloating caused by constipation. I am confident that it makes a difference if you suffer from it. Psyllium husks are extremely good but start at a low dose as they absorb water and can cause further discomfort and constipation if dosed too highly too quickly.

    Probiotics seem to improve regularity caused by dysbiosis but probiotic supplements are very hit and miss. A lot of them don't even specify the genus or species. Saccharomyces Boulardii have been studied for their ability to their ability to reduce diarrhoea when taken multiple times per day.
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