what is the best casein out there in everybodys mind???
thank you sir..
Pure Casein by Optimum. Also, milk is comprised of an 80% Casein content naturally.
trueP i think but genrally i dont like it. i like whey protein even at night.
eggs, a SPRINKLE of cheese and a glass of milk before bed
yes i know eggs are not casein but this is a good pre bed snack
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Was shopping at Walmart and picked up some of the Muscle Tech stuff. Not my favorite supp company and it seemed expensive, but I wanted it then, so I bought it.
Next time I need to plan ahead!
I use ON vanilla cream flavor. Mixes well for Cassein. Taste is good. You can get it cheap if you get 4lb containers. Last a long time if you're only using it at night.
"MAP delivers amino acids quickly and fully. It's the most efficient way to get them to your muscles, short of injecting.
No other protein or amino acid absorbs better than MAP. (1) The amino acids in MAP are carried right through the stomach walls without any digestion required.
Tiny Peptides -- A Clear Advantage
MAP is 100% pure pre-digested casein protein. This means that the casein protein has been broken down into small peptides of two or three amino acids.
The amino acids in MAP absorb better than amino acids in single form."
So they claim they created a casein protein with extremely small amino acid peptide chains that are absorbed so well and so quickly that they even bypass digestion and are "carried right through the stomach walls". This last part is physiologically impossible since very few substances can be absorbed through the stomach walls such as aspirin and alcohol. The stomach doesn't not absorb nutrients and proteins, the small intestines do. The stomach is merely a holding and mixing chamber which breaks food down to be absorbed.
Enough on that though and on to the point. Assuming all things claimed are true, why would anybody want to take a casein if it moves so rapidly through your system that an hour or two later, it's no longer available for nutrient absorption? That means that the rest of the night (still a good 6 or 7 hours) you will go without any amino acid release to help stave off catabolism and limit recovery. This is, of course, assuming that it is taken as a casein where prolonged AA acid release is desired such as pre-bed or long periods before your next meal.
Casein, such as micellar casein is known and used for it's slow break down and thus the prolonged and perpetual release of amino acids for several hours. That sounds much more effective to me. Some companies such as XF add isolate to their casein (i.e. UP 2.0) to provide some essential AA that can be used much sooner since it takes awhile for the casein to break down, thus providing a more balanced and synergistic flow of peptides.
"Monster V is now the King of Slow Release Proteins. Our brand new Monster V Protein has a molecule size twice the size of casein, therefore taking it twice as long to digest. Monster V Protein is made in the U.S.A. using the Cohn V fractionation process. This process results in a completely 100% undenatured protein, jam packed with bioactive peptides and subfractions. Use Monster V for anti-catabolic, sustained release protein or a night time protein."
This makes more sense to me, using a casein for its prolonged digestion and sustained AA release.
^^We aren't claiming anything, it actually does what it says. As far as a slow digesting casein, then no MAP would not be the correct choice. Obviously I should have understood the thread better. However, as far as pre/intra/post workout it is a great option, as well as servings spread out through the day.
Trutein would be my choice
I have tried them all... Trutein for the win!
Man I have tried a lot of stuff and I would say MuscleFeast straight up. It's cheap, pure, and it works. Check'em out!