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    Does anyone have any interest in a topical 7-Keto DHEA and 7-OH-Etiocholanolone product? Both are good cortisol blockers etc...


    The difference is that 7-OH-Etiocholanolone should be more of a fat burner than 7-Keto DHEA, but both are great for that purpose.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LG Sciences View Post
    Does anyone have any interest in a topical 7-Keto DHEA and 7-OH-Etiocholanolone product? Both are good cortisol blockers etc...


    The difference is that 7-OH-Etiocholanolone should be more of a fat burner than 7-Keto DHEA, but both are great for that purpose.
    I've personally had the BEST results re cortisol control, etc. with TOPICAL 7-OH DHEA and 7-oxo DHEA, and was NOT happy when the original DermaTherm was discontinued, so something similar I would definitely love!
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    Quote Originally Posted by LG Sciences View Post
    Does anyone have any interest in a topical 7-Keto DHEA and 7-OH-Etiocholanolone product? Both are good cortisol blockers etc...


    The difference is that 7-OH-Etiocholanolone should be more of a fat burner than 7-Keto DHEA, but both are great for that purpose.

    7-OH-Etiocholanolone has great oral bioavailability

    7-oxo-DHEA (7-keto-DHEA): this has a terrible oral availability and an even worse half life (2 hours). This is best taken transdermally

    one for cortisol (fat loss) and another for the thyroids!
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    You know id be down Eric, definitely a good idea.
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    Ok, I will let you guys know. Might be up by the end of the week for an early beta test...
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    Quote Originally Posted by LG Sciences View Post
    Ok, I will let you guys know. Might be up by the end of the week for an early beta test...
    Sounds good..
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    I would definitely buy it! Any thoughts of including 5-AT in there?
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    Quote Originally Posted by LJ57 View Post
    I would definitely buy it! Any thoughts of including 5-AT in there?
    5-AT is best for oral use not TD.
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    Sounds awesome. I'd definitely be interested in this.
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    Sign me up for that; been wanting to use a topical 7-oxo for a while. I volunteer for beta testing :-).
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    I know Patrick Arnold has a 7-keto spray (with 5-AT as well, I think), but it's relatively expensive at around $50 and apparently VERY limited supplies. I also remember BN used to sell a topical 7-OXO product, and as far as I remember it got great reviews. I really hope LG decides to go full steam ahead with this product!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rodja View Post
    Ahh, that takes me back to the days of Ab-Solved.
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    I think Prototype Nutrition already offers this same exact thing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jdrannin1 View Post
    I think Prototype Nutrition already offers this same exact thing.
    I think PAs is 11-KT spray (which is also VERY effective).
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    Quote Originally Posted by dsade View Post
    I think PAs is 11-KT spray (which is also VERY effective).
    He's got two now.

    And also resveratrol spray. So 3 sprays in total. Supposedly vitamin C spray sometime in the future as well. He's releasing everything as a spray these days lol
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    Quote Originally Posted by jdrannin1 View Post
    He's got two now.

    And also resveratrol spray. So 3 sprays in total. Supposedly vitamin C spray sometime in the future as well. He's releasing everything as a spray these days lol
    He was here a couple of week ago for a visit...he was telling me that the Res spray is his mainstay right now, and he's feeling incredible.

    I'm going to have to give it a go.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dsade View Post
    He was here a couple of week ago for a visit...he was telling me that the Res spray is his mainstay right now, and he's feeling incredible.

    I'm going to have to give it a go.
    No doubt. I don't think I've been let down by anything he's made.
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    I also like LG topicals quite a bit...so, count me in for the 7-keto ASAP.
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    I am definitely down for this. Ab-Solved was tha shiznit back in the day. Anyway, I've been a long time user of TD 7-OXO. It'll be nice that I don't have to do any homebrewing. LOL.

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    I'd like to see this made nothing better than a good topical. But yes to other people saying PA does have a 7-keto on his Prototype Nutrition line, I've been meaning to try the R-Spray for sure.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dsade View Post
    I think PAs is 11-KT spray (which is also VERY effective).
    Quote Originally Posted by jdrannin1 View Post
    He's got two now.

    And also resveratrol spray. So 3 sprays in total. Supposedly vitamin C spray sometime in the future as well. He's releasing everything as a spray these days lol
    yep is called 7-Spray: 7-Keto DHEA Acetate + B-Androstenetriol (b-triol)


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    ooooh- def in LG! sounds transder-iffic...
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    Quote Originally Posted by schizm View Post
    ooooh- def in LG! sounds transgender-iffic...
    err...ok
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    Quote Originally Posted by dsade View Post
    I also like LG topicals quite a bit...so, count me in for the 7-keto ASAP.
    How would you compare a transdermal 7-Keto versus something like Eviscerate? I know 7-keto will control cortisol for weight reduction, and Eviscerate focuses more on fat metabolization; but what about overall effect on targeted fat loss?

    Are there instances or locations where one would be better than the other?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Milas View Post
    How would you compare a transdermal 7-Keto versus something like Eviscerate? I know 7-keto will control cortisol for weight reduction, and Eviscerate focuses more on fat metabolization; but what about overall effect on targeted fat loss?

    Are there instances or locations where one would be better than the other?

    Eviscerate use a localized carrier but 7-keto is hormonal so their need a systematic carrier

    the fat loss of 7-keto is lowering cortisol
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    Quote Originally Posted by MAxximal View Post
    Eviscerate use a localized carrier but 7-keto is hormonal so their need a systematic carrier

    the fat loss of 7-keto is lowering cortisol
    I believe it can up-regulate TSH too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MAxximal View Post
    Eviscerate use a localized carrier but 7-keto is hormonal so their need a systematic carrier

    the fat loss of 7-keto is lowering cortisol
    Would 7-Keto need to be systemic? Couldn't you just target the local area where cortisol would be controlled? Granted some may circulate systematically, but just because it's hormonal doesn't mean you need a systemic carrier, do you?
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    Quote Originally Posted by dsade View Post
    err...ok
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    Quote Originally Posted by Milas View Post
    Would 7-Keto need to be systemic? Couldn't you just target the local area where cortisol would be controlled? Granted some may circulate systematically, but just because it's hormonal doesn't mean you need a systemic carrier, do you?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Milas View Post
    How would you compare a transdermal 7-Keto versus something like Eviscerate? I know 7-keto will control cortisol for weight reduction, and Eviscerate focuses more on fat metabolization; but what about overall effect on targeted fat loss?

    Are there instances or locations where one would be better than the other?
    7-keto, in my experience, is highly effect at VAT reduction only - but it is dramatic.

    I would highly recommend this for anyone with a waist circumference over 35 inches and/or a bodyfat level over 18%. I would then follow up the rapid VAT loss with a run of Eviscerate. You should easily be able to drop 7-8% bodyfat rapidly when combined with a good systemic fat burner.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dsade View Post
    7-keto, in my experience, is highly effect at VAT reduction only - but it is dramatic.

    I would highly recommend this for anyone with a waist circumference over 35 inches and/or a bodyfat level over 18%. I would then follow up the rapid VAT loss with a run of Eviscerate. You should easily be able to drop 7-8% bodyfat rapidly when combined with a good systemic fat burner.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dsade View Post
    7-keto, in my experience, is highly effect at VAT reduction only - but it is dramatic.

    I would highly recommend this for anyone with a waist circumference over 35 inches and/or a bodyfat level over 18%. I would then follow up the rapid VAT loss with a run of Eviscerate. You should easily be able to drop 7-8% bodyfat rapidly when combined with a good systemic fat burner.
    Thanks, I was thinking these would be complementary, particularly for the stubborn fat areas (love handles, etc.). Hit it with 7 keto first, then Eviscerate to get what's left and add in fat burner with the Evis.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Milas View Post
    Thanks, I was thinking these would be complementary, particularly for the stubborn fat areas (love handles, etc.). Hit it with 7 keto first, then Eviscerate to get what's left and add in fat burner with the Evis.
    Stacking BOTH topicals would be effective - I stacked DermaTherm and Eviscerate together and loved the results
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    Quote Originally Posted by Milas View Post
    Thanks, I was thinking these would be complementary, particularly for the stubborn fat areas (love handles, etc.). Hit it with 7 keto first, then Eviscerate to get what's left and add in fat burner with the Evis.
    VAT fat is surrounding the organs and not likely to contribute much to the love handle area. Love handles are all SAT fat, which Eviscerate attacks nicely.

    Be aware that the VAT fat is the dangerous fat.

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