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    Ok so my dad has some depression, mood swings, anxiety, etc. so I was going to get him some 5-HTP and L-Theanine to see if that would help. Could anyone give me a nice mood boosting, depression fighting stack before my dad has to end up on those side effect ridden SSRI's?

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    Tell him to stop all caffeine. It throws of the seratonin dopamine ratio. Also, I don't know if you wanna tell your dad to smoke weed, but I really think a low dose where people can't really tell that your high seems to take the edge off.
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    he doesn't drink caffeine man and he wouldnt smoke weed
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    if the depression is real, depending on the severity, self medicating can be very dangerous
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    Quote Originally Posted by kingdong View Post
    Tell him to stop all caffeine. It throws of the seratonin dopamine ratio. Also, I don't know if you wanna tell your dad to smoke weed, but I really think a low dose where people can't really tell that your high seems to take the edge off.
    Dude not sure about using weed for depression I think the long term disadvantage well and truly outweighs the short term chill out!!!

    Stopping caffeine however is a good idea.

    My personal experience when I went on TRT stopped all caffeine and alcohol I had a massive improvement to my depression and anxiety. I do however still love my pre-work drinks and yes I get anxiety from them ... I just have to keep the dose on the lower side.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kingdong View Post
    Tell him to stop all caffeine. It throws of the seratonin dopamine ratio. Also, I don't know if you wanna tell your dad to smoke weed, but I really think a low dose where people can't really tell that your high seems to take the edge off.
    Quote Originally Posted by thewolf49 View Post
    he doesn't drink caffeine man and he wouldnt smoke weed
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    I would go see a doctor. period. If he doesn't want to be on an SSRI then have him tell the doctor that and discuss other options.

    This is just not something I would self medicate. May need to try and get the route of the depression as well instead of simply taking a pill. No hate just real advice.
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    Do ppl report deppression while on Test??? Or do you feel better? I'm asking because i want to do a 12 week run soon, (will be my first) but don't want to experience any deppression or mood swings...how do you generally feel on test? Ive done a few cycles of SD loved it but felt kinda down and unconfident toward the end of cycle and moody as HELL...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Grambo View Post
    I would go see a doctor. period. If he doesn't want to be on an SSRI then have him tell the doctor that and discuss other options.

    This is just not something I would self medicate. May need to try and get the route of the depression as well instead of simply taking a pill. No hate just real advice.
    my thoughts exactly man
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    Quote Originally Posted by wolfe14 View Post
    Do ppl report deppression while on Test??? Or do you feel better? I'm asking because i want to do a 12 week run soon, (will be my first) but don't want to experience any deppression or mood swings...how do you generally feel on test? Ive done a few cycles of SD loved it but felt kinda down and unconfident toward the end of cycle and moody as HELL...
    They are different beasts altogether, Most people feel much better on in confidence, alpha male etc.
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    Quote Originally Posted by aj power View Post
    Dude not sure about using weed for depression I think the long term disadvantage well and truly outweighs the short term chill out!!!
    More positive research on weed comes out every year. Ive even heard that it may be a neuro protective. I think most stoners get ate up on other drugs. I know some old guys who have been getting "weed high" on a regular basis for years and their smart enough. I personally think a few times a week breaks up the tension. If the worlds best swimmer can do it in moderation...


    Having said that, he already said that his dad won't do it, so I didn't mean to turn it into a weed forum.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ambulldog View Post
    if the depression is real, depending on the severity, self medicating can be very dangerous
    Great comment. How severe is it? Is he gonna kill himself if we don't nip this in the bud quickly? Sorry for the bluntness.

    If we can avoid doctors(They suck these days) tht would be good, but we have to know the variables.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Grambo View Post
    They are different beasts altogether, Most people feel much better on in confidence, alpha male etc.
    so you are saying most feel great on Test??? no rage, mood swings or deppression like you hear the freakin media always say? that is really my only concern with doing test. again ive been doing orals for almost 2 yrs but some say they are worse for you than test ever will be..is this correct?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Grambo View Post
    I would go see a doctor. period. If he doesn't want to be on an SSRI then have him tell the doctor that and discuss other options.

    This is just not something I would self medicate. May need to try and get the route of the depression as well instead of simply taking a pill. No hate just real advice.
    I agree with this.
    Also, both my mom and I have had bouts with depression (hers worse than mine) and we both failed horribly trying to self-medicate. If it works for him though, more power to your dad.
    Personally, Prozac practically saved my life. I was on it for a year, had few side effects, and it allowed me to see outside the wall of my depression. Not all SSRI's are bad, especially if you find the right one for you. Just throwing that in there.

    Best wishes to you.
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    I'd take 6grms of inositol a day. this vitamin has been shown to be as effective as the SSRI drugs in the treatment of depression. due diligence
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    Go to a doctor.

    Nothing works as well as meds.

    Ive tried most of the stuff they used in studies, by themselves and combined and nothing has even come close to medication, it has helped a bit, but again nothing like SSRI.
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    Quote Originally Posted by thewolf49 View Post
    Ok so my dad has some depression, mood swings, anxiety, etc. so I was going to get him some 5-HTP and L-Theanine to see if that would help. Could anyone give me a nice mood boosting, depression fighting stack before my dad has to end up on those side effect ridden SSRI's?
    I must say i love Kava Kava!
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    dont take to much unless going to bed or you will feel TOOO relaxed.
    also I wouldent use it before working out.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ambulldog View Post
    if the depression is real, depending on the severity, self medicating can be very dangerous
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    I would go see a doctor. period. If he doesn't want to be on an SSRI then have him tell the doctor that and discuss other options.

    This is just not something I would self medicate. May need to try and get the route of the depression as well instead of simply taking a pill. No hate just real advice.
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    For a test to see if it is serotonin related, I'd try 50mg 5-Htp in the morning and at night for a week, IF it is serotonin depletion causing his moods, this will quickly alleviatei it. Then he can make the decision to see a doc for an SSRI, or use OTC stuff (5htp plus St Johns Wort is a very effective combo from personal experience, but even SJW gave me some 'wood' issues.)
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    Sounds like a GP visit is in order, as suggested, but does he get sufficient vitamin D3? Do you live in a hot area with plenty sunshine?
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    Like mentioned if its severe, he might want to see a doc.

    Depending on whats going on, SJW might help. Its acts like an SSRI. I've been in an agitated, anxious, bit depressive state recently. I started a stack of L-Tryptophan - 5HTP.

    Also I'm a big fan of Theanine. I wouldn't say it would be effective for depression, more for taking the edge off.
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    The two things that have been proven effective I cannot believe have not been mentioned; they being Folic Acid taken with SAM-e. My GF has mild depression and the SAM-e has worked wonders for her mood and confidence. She takes 800 mgs a day, not cheap, but for her without health insurance and no desire to take anti-psychotic drugs, those two work nearly as well. Plus, SAM-e is excellent at detoxifying the liver and even better for joint pain. I highly suggest you see a doctor regardless but ask about those two, they are more and more being recommended for a non-prescription route.
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    The two things that have been proven effective I cannot believe have not been mentioned; they being Folic Acid taken with SAM-e. My GF has mild depression and the SAM-e has worked wonders for her mood and confidence. She takes 800 mgs a day, not cheap, but for her without health insurance and no desire to take anti-psychotic drugs, those two work nearly as well. Plus, SAM-e is excellent at detoxifying the liver and even better for joint pain. I highly suggest you see a doctor regardless but ask about those two, they are more and more being recommended for a non-prescription route.
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    The 3 biggies are:
    St Johns Wort - either Kira or Perika brands.
    Fish Oil
    SAMe

    Also could consider deprenyl 5mg ED, although it's not strictly OTC.

    Seeing a doctor depends IMO on it depends on how bad it is for your dad. A psychiatrist is just going to prescribe something like Paxil, Wellbutrin, or Effexor. These have a less than 50% success rate and have lots of side-effects. So in this case, try the natural route first.

    Of course if it is severe, then yes, he should go see a doctor. But if it's mild, then honestly seeing a dr and getting prescribed the pharmacy will do more harm than good.

    A lot of it could be psychological too. Midlife crisis and all that. In that case talk therapy helps and if his insurance covers a psychologist, then he should check that route out.
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    L-theanine would probably be better for anxiety.

    I would start with fish oil. It wouldn't hurt and contains EFAs that everyone needs anyway. Research published in the Online Journal of Clinical Psychiatry, suggested fish oil may be effective at treating people suffering from depression.

    It would be a positive option for your dad and he could ask his healthcare practitoner about it.

    Brands I can vouch for on the quality would be Carlson Labs, Nordic Naturals, Metagenics and I think Barleans has some pretty decent fish oil as well.

    This is what my son and I take - http://www.kidsvitaminshop.com/Kids-...mon-200mL.html

    1 tsp would be very close to what was used in the study above. Yes, I know it says "Kids" but I like the quality, potency and taste and so does my son.

    Also, as Robboe pointed out, plenty of Vitamin D3!
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    Thanks for all the feedback, I think I'm going to have him try 5-HTP to rule out a seratonin issue before anything else. Then if that doesn't work I'll suggest a hormone panel, etc. Climbing the ladder until the right solution is found...
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