Erase vs. Formestane
- 10-05-2010, 12:30 PM
- 10-05-2010, 01:33 PM
10-05-2010, 01:53 PM
10-05-2010, 02:06 PM
Erase has a lower Ki value than Formestane. This means that Erase is a better and more potent aromatase inhibitor.
Formestane has metabolites that can actually shut down your natural testosterone levels, and cause delayed gyno.
Erase does not have metabolites like this. Erase is a potent suicide aromatase inhibitor...look no further
10-05-2010, 02:45 PM
10-05-2010, 02:53 PM
10-05-2010, 02:58 PM
I'm liking Erase more compared to CEL's Formestane, but still havn't tried NTBM forma-stanzol.
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10-05-2010, 02:59 PM
10-05-2010, 03:01 PM
I think the wife is gonna give it a try too since it is a natural AI and has some effect on cortisol as well.
10-05-2010, 04:01 PM
10-05-2010, 04:10 PM
10-05-2010, 04:11 PM
10-05-2010, 07:41 PM
Strength wise and muscle wise, I can say without a doubt forma-stanzol will yeild more results in growth over the other 3 stacked. Test boosters and a natural AI will not produce results in the gym IMHO. Their use sticks to being an AI or simply boosting test (which won't yield gym results) but it will give you a pretty looking blood test result so they definitely have their spot
I have never put on mass or really gained strength from test boosters and don't see a natural AI doing so either.
Forma-stanzol is an effective steroidal AI with solid anabolic properties. I wouldn't go as far as saying it will "shut you down" lol it is very light in that department. But it is steroidal, and you will lean out and build muscle a lot faster than naturally possible even if using natural supplements.
It depends what your looking for. If you want a good looking blood results I would go with the 3 products (they sound solid for a PCT run and health benefits) but I doubt they will help in the gym in a noticeable manner. If you want gym results... I would say it's obvious forma-stanzol will give you them.
10-05-2010, 09:53 PM
^^ totally respect this opinion bro, but I've had results I'm confident prove otherwise. And if you really want any meaningful anabolic effects from form hadn't you better be running a very high dose? IMO the results of a natural AI and form can be quite similar, dose dependent, and a natural AI has some advantages too IMO. But I agree each have their place. Some people love form (talk to bigT if you wanna shoot the sh*t on form--he's the form sensei), but as a young dude with a full head of hair, I don't feel like running form for AI is worth lowering DHT levels. That said, I keep hearing nothing but good stuff about NTBM's form.
10-05-2010, 11:21 PM
10-05-2010, 11:25 PM
I personally don't like the idea of using a product that lowers estro but also lowers DHT.
To be fair, I'm really not sure how much test is stopped from being converted to DHT while running Form. I'd be interested in finding out though.
some ppl use drugs to block dht to try and stop balding...and often report not being able to get it up as a side... i'd rather a shiny head : )
10-05-2010, 11:42 PM
Forma will not cause shutdown if used REASONABLE, since it blocks prolactin it can be stacked with 1-2 caps of Erase which blocks cortisol. They both work through different means while inhibiting aromatase. They can be stacked together, it all depends what your main goals are.
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10-05-2010, 11:55 PM
That part I don't get^^ it sounds like you're saying you have a full head of hair and don't want to risk losing it with forma-stanzol by lowering DHT? Lowering DHT will keep your head full of hair.
I also understand where you're coming from but I don't see that little drop in DHT causing bad sides like you said a low libido. Forma-stanzol takes your libido up... according to Bigt... sensai of forma LOL. So no worries there either.
I like what Andrew said. I would add in the forma-stanzol for the anabolic effects (which will show even on moderate doses freefall) and add other supplements around it. I just don't see any of the supplements mentioned causing anabolic effects apart from forma-stanzol so to me that's the central supplement of the stack. We differ on this part. It's cool freefall I respect your opinion also
10-05-2010, 11:58 PM
i'm just throwing my opinion out there, ^^^ this man actually knows his stuff
I agree taking some herbals is not going to build muscles directly or quickly or easily. But raising test and hopefully keeping levels high certainly will help you grow in the gym eventually IMO. Even being more aggressive in the gym, (attributing aggression to elevated test to make my point) will help build muscle over the long haul if you can let that aggression push you to work harder. I totally get what you're saying tho choc., no herbal is going to slap on lbs of muscle.
what i meant by the confusing statement "but as a young dude with a full head of hair, I don't feel like running form for AI is worth lowering DHT levels. That said, I keep hearing nothing but good stuff about NTBM's form" is that i'm not worried about high levels of DHT because I have no symptoms of MPB, so I don't really want to do anything to reduce an androgenic hormone in my body... and if I were to use form right now it would be NTBM's product.
10-06-2010, 12:04 AM
10-06-2010, 12:09 AM
10-06-2010, 12:26 AM
10-06-2010, 12:32 AM
10-06-2010, 01:14 AM
You can get some great results from Form if done right i think someone else on here said it BigT knows his stuff when it comes to form. I've ran PP's LV Form with some great results. It leaned me out alot and got some good lean muscle mass with it at a relatively low dosage. But i wouldn't go shoving it on everyone. Erase is a far more safer route for someone just starting into AI's and testboosters.
10-06-2010, 01:19 AM
10-06-2010, 02:05 AM
10-06-2010, 02:38 AM
Erase does have a lower ki value, but itdoesnt increase igf-1 levels the same way formestane does, and it doesnt prevent prolactin induced sides the way formestane does.
I reccommend forma-stanozolol.
BTW ive used Androst-3,5-dien-7,17-dione as a cortisol blocker since i first got my hands on it in late 2006, its very good, its good at boosting test but ive never seen much evidence of it lowering estradiol, unless your using at like 100mg or more, then the increase in test is likely to cause suppression.
Forma-stanozolol is being used by many here and even at a low dose can remove the problems caused by estrogen, best of all it inhibits aldosterone so preventing water retention and high blood pressure.
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10-06-2010, 09:28 AM
10-06-2010, 09:34 AM
10-06-2010, 09:58 AM
The reason I question the quality of your raws is that if you took 100mg of Erase your joints would probably feel like someone shoved hot sand in all of them, unless you were on a heavy aromatizing cycle. Erase is VERY potent
Even your fellow NTBM guys love the stuff, and gamer had a reduction in his gyno with it. And he's not the only one...
Personally, I don't think it is fair to even compare Formestane to Erase.
Formestane is good for an anabolic effect, but not good for increasing testosterone levels or as a standalone. I have seen people lose their libido when taking it and even after they stop
Erase will give you an increased testosterone, decreased estrogen, and decreased cortisol all in one, simple, cheap, oral, 50mg dose per day.
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