Need2slin vs Recompadrol
- 01-13-2011, 12:38 AM
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance." - Socrates
- 01-13-2011, 07:42 AM
bump. Would it be a bad idea to dose this with alpha t2, because of the combined dosages of synephrine?
- 01-13-2011, 12:32 PM
not at all man...**** Line @ NUTRAPLANET
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Need2slin... NOM NOM NOM :yup:
01-13-2011, 06:54 PM
01-13-2011, 06:56 PM
01-13-2011, 08:15 PM
I'm on the 3rd day of need2slin now, and I can still feel it after every single meal. Even on the meals that I didn't dose it prior to. I'm doing 3 caps a day.
It's made me feel really good these last 3 days. It's definitely the real deal. I'm very pleased with it, and it looks like it for sure is going to be a staple in my supp regimen.
01-13-2011, 08:23 PM
01-14-2011, 10:24 AM
How do you use and in what amounts etc? I'd like to hear your thoughts. I DON'T want to derail the great premise of this thread in any way, just never had a good conversation about GEAR with a fellow user I take 3 caps for each (two) daily servings by the way.
NOTE: What I have noticed thus far, is that my muscular fullness and deep pumps while lifting, last from the beginning THROUGH the end of the workout not (in stead of falling off half way through a grueling workout when my glucose stores have been exhausted). It's been GREAT.
You can PM me if you want, so we don't do any hi-jacking Thanks man.
01-17-2011, 04:07 PM
Still lovin this product. I'm never coming off this for sure. Just curious, how do the "anti obesity" properties in this compare to those of recompadrol? In the product description of recomp, it makes it a point of emphasizing that it inhibits fat stores, meaning that when you eat more than you should or eat high fat/carb meals, it will somewhat prevent storing it as bodyfat.
01-17-2011, 05:48 PM
They are both solid products, but, if you're looking to solely drive nutrients into the muscle and modulate blood sugar/insulin favorably to enhance anabolism, N2S would be the prudent purchase - on the other hand, trying to minimize adipogenesis especially concerning fat-rich meals such as red meat, RCD offers a great safety net against fat accrual.
01-17-2011, 07:05 PM
01-17-2011, 07:10 PM
Right. Well I mean not like cheat meal level fat intake. I'm just on a cut and keeping my carbs <100g a day, so almost every meal IS a high fat meal. Are you saying maybe on a keto diet recomp would be better and on a high carb diet need2slin would be more effective?
01-17-2011, 08:47 PM
01-17-2011, 08:51 PM
01-17-2011, 08:58 PM
01-18-2011, 12:16 AM
01-28-2011, 11:11 AM
This has probably been asked and answered on here somewhere before. But what's the half life of need2slin? For instance if I take it 15 min prior to a PWO high carb meal, and then have another high complex carb meal an hour or so later, will it still exhibit its effects on that meal as well?
02-05-2011, 07:41 PM
Does anyone have a more comprehensive breakdown, or perhaps even a real good article on vanadyle? I'm interested in learning a bit more about it specifically. From what I can gather, that ingredient is the reason that it is recommended to cycle off of recompadrol after 6 weeks, correct? What if you are only taking lower 1-3 caps per day instead of all 6, would it still force you to need to cycle off it? Like I said, I don't know the intricacies of vanadyl very well, but would like to learn
02-06-2011, 03:01 PM
When taking N2S, is it worth having a dose before your post-workout meal/shake or is that whole "anabolic window" concept already maximizing your uptake? I've read conflicting things regarding this. Some studies say fast carbs, others say slow, others yet say none. Personally, I usually do a small amount of fast carbs, but mostly slow with a little bit of protein. Anyway, that's beside the point, but should an N2S be taken around that time or should it be saved for meals farther away from workouts?
02-06-2011, 03:06 PM
I do fast acting carbs 10 min after my workout than eat a whole meal 30 mnutes after my post workout protein carb shake.
02-06-2011, 04:30 PM
As far as the half-life of Need 2 Slin, there are more than one additive in the mix, so I'm not sure if any one answer could suffice. I know N2S has the sodium stabilized ALA, but I remember when I researched r-ALA a while ago it peaked at 1-2 hours after oral ingestion... so it was quite slow acting. I actually dose 1g r-ALA JUST before training, so it is FULLY active when I'm done, and dose Need 2 Slin AFTER so that my post-post training meal is properly assimilated and utilized to my favor.
02-06-2011, 06:33 PM
02-07-2011, 06:12 PM
02-07-2011, 07:05 PM
While I have yet to try Recompadrol, I have personally used Anabolic-Pump, P-Slin, and Slin-Sane; and Need 2 Slin has without a doubt been the most effective nutrient partitioner to date. Definitely the only one that has given me noticeable strength gains!
02-07-2011, 07:14 PM
04-03-2011, 10:50 PM
bumping an old thread.
I've been off the nutrient partitioners for a while now, getting some other health issues cleared up.
Can anyone comment on how need2slin compares to the others in specifically lowering your overall blood sugar level? I had a blood glucose test done while I was on recompadrol and it came back on the low side of reference range. Then I stopped taking it for the day and got a fasted one done and it was normal. So obviously recompadrol DOES lower your overall blood sugar level. Not always a pleasant thing however.
Does need2slin exhibit the same effects?
I'm guessing dosage amount is completely dependent on carb intake correct? I actually have a 100g complex carb PWO meal I'm curious to try a full 3 cap dosage at, I'm worried however of crashing an hour later.
04-04-2011, 11:45 AM
My recommendation of Need2Slin doseage is 1 cap for 50g c or less, 2 caps 50g +.
You can also check out this link here, where someone did a blood glucose test over a few days with need2slin
04-04-2011, 12:43 PM
I debated going 3x on the 100g carb meal today, but figured I really should work up to that, lol. So i dosed 2x, I didn't feel any light headed diziness or any other low blood sugar level sides. I do have my suspicions as well about 3x though, that's a pretty hefty dose.
04-04-2011, 12:57 PM
This was posted over at the **** website, and I think somewhere on AM too...
NEED2SLIN - BLOOD SUGAR EXPERIMENT
1) 450mg gymnema sylvestre
2) 250mg Acetyl L-carnatine
3) 200mg NaR-ALA (NaR alpha lipoic acid)
4) 200mg L-norvaline
5) 90mg Coleus forskholi
6) 30mg synephrine HCI
7) 18mg Banaba leaf
What I expect from N2S is to create a larger than normal insulin release after intake of carbs and sugars. This insulin release is highly desired in bodybuilding b/c insulin helps shuttle nutrients and carbohydrates directly to the muscles for immediate repair. The reason it is advantageous to intake glucose (sugar) in what ever form you want after working out is because of the insulin response that follows. The reason insulin is released after drinking a sugary beverage is that this released works to lower your blood sugar levels and keep you within the normal range. Our body is constantly trying to maintain homeostasis, or internal equilibrium, hence the insulin spike.
insulin also "rapidly activates Protein synthesis by mRNA translation, the process through which the genetic code transcribed in the mRNA template is translated into Protein." This is fairly complicated so if you want to read more on this then Google it.
(Day 1) I will fast for a least 8 hours while I sleep and in the morning I will take my fasted blood sugar (one of 4 readings). I will then eat a wheat bagel (about 60 carbs) and drink about 9oz of Grape Juice (50 carbs/sugars) since both of these are fast acting carbohydrates. After I down I will take my blood sugar readings at 30 mins, 1 hr, and 1.5 hrs and record the results.
(Day 2) I will do the exact same thing as above but this time I will take N2Slin at a dosage of 3 capsules 35 minutes before eating the bagel then follow the protocol listed on Day 1.
(Day 3) I will do the exact same thing as above but this time I will take some supplements that should have a positive effect on my blood sugar profile about 35 minutes prior to eating the bagel and record the results as above. The supplements I will take are Chromium Picolinate (100mg), Gymnema (400mg), Alpha Lipoic Acid (200mg), & Cinnamon (1/4 teaspoon); all of which are supposed to either promote increased insulin cell binding, increase natural production of insulin at the periphery level, or increase the secretion of insulin at the pancreas.
(Day 4) This was added after the Conclusion in the Addendum section.
In my research of supplements that have the BEST potential to lower blood sugar/raise insulin I came across a few supplements that I assumed would be most effective for these purposes. The supplements used on Day 3 of this experiment are the ones that looked the most promising (Chromium Picolinate, Gymnema, Alpha Lipoic Acid [ALA], & Cinnamon). Two out of the 4 supplements I chose to use are in Need2Slin. The other ingredients in N2Slin are mentioned in some cases when and insulin response is desired but that is one of the reasons for this test, to determine if N2Slin is effective. From what I can tell Need2 has done a lot of research to put this product together and I am very interested in the results.
For this test I was able to borrow a blood monitor from my father who is diabetic (another reason for my interest in this product) and use it to test my blood glucose levels. These tests were conducted at the same time of the morning every day and I tried to be as symmetrical with everything I did every day for the most accurate results possible.
Fasting - 83 mg/dl
*now I down the bagel and grape juice
0.5 hr - 180 mg/dl
1.0 hr - 161 mg/dl
1.5 hr - 106 mg/dl
Note**About 30 minutes after ingesting the bagel and grape juice I got his overwhelming lethargic feeling as well as slightly blurred vision, and this lasted until my blood sugar dropped below 160. Injesting these two things may not do this to some people but I generally stay away from a lot of sugar so I was not used to this feeling at all but did recall on a couple occasions feeling this way.
Fasting - 87 mg/dl
*take Need2Slin 35 minutes before ingesting the carbs
*down the bagel and grape juice
0.5 hr - 145 mg/dl
1.0 hr - 129 mg/dl
1.5 hr - 84 mg/dl
Note**I am very impressed with the results of N2Slin so far. I didn't get any of the symptoms from yesterday when ingesting the large quantity of carbs. I may duplicate the tests of Day 2 and see if I come up with the same results in a later post. Need2Slin has definitely increased the amount of insulin in response to the sugar level in my body. It will be interesting to see how the herbs and supps I will use tomorrow stack up.
Fasting - 86 mg/dl
*take chosen Supps 35 minutes before ingesting the carbs
*down the bagel and grape juice
0.5 hr - 164 mg/dl
1.0 hr - 148 mg/dl
1.5 hr - 97 mg/dl
Note**Although I didn't have any of the same lethargy as on Day 1, I didn't feel as energetic as I did yesterday (Day 2) after taking the hand picked herbs and supplements.
See results of Day 4 after the Conclusion in the Addendum...
Based on the results of Day 3, Need2Slin has proven itself to be even more effective than the hand picked supplements (chosen specifically for the purpose of increasing insulin response) that I thought might be more effective than Need2Slin based on the research I have done. Need2Slin is a very impressive supplement not only for the energetic feeling you get after a large meal with N2Slin, but in the fact that the blood results in this study were not even close!!
I would like to further note that this study was done solely out of my curiosity of the performance of this product as well as looking for a product that my father (Type 2 diabetic) can take to lower his blood sugar. I have no motive to advertise for Need2. I have used this product once before about a year ago where I noticed a better pump in the gym and a leaner look even on a high calorie diet. I wanted to put it to the test and see if it was worth spending the bucks for this product. Unlike other products where you simply have to 'believe' it's doing what it says, this type of supplement you can actually 'TEST' to see if it's doing what it's supposed to do!!
The 3 most anabolic compounds in the world of bodybuilding are AAS, GH, and insulin. If you can take a natural supplement like Need2Slin and increase the production of insulin within your own body then why take the risk of damaging your body by injecting insulin? Bodybuilders who understand how to use insulin properly can get away with this but for anyone that doesn't fully understand how to use it safely and is on the fence with whether they should use it or not, please start with a supplement like this that will not damage your body and will give you the effect you are looking for.
Today I wanted to make sure that the results I got the first day I used N2Slin were not a fluke. I only did one test on it and it made me wonder if those results would be replicated if I tested again.
Day 4: (final test)
Fasting - 78 mg/dl
*take Need2Slin 35 minutes before ingesting the carbs
*down the bagel and grape juice
0.5 hr - 139 mg/dl
1.0 hr - 125 mg/dl
1.5 hr - 83 mg/dl
Note**My blood sugar started out lower this morning than usual maybe due to a clean diet yesterday and taking a couple N2Slin before dinner last night... Based on the results from today I am confident that N2Slin is controlling my blood sugar by raising my insulin levels! It's almost scary how close the numbers were from the first test. If I had started the test with a fasting blood sugar of 87 today, I do feel that the numbers I got on the first day using N2S would be even closer.
edit: looks like DarkHalf found it faster than me!!!
04-04-2011, 01:01 PM
04-04-2011, 01:03 PM
Yeah, I went to the original source, yours was a repost. Flai?
04-04-2011, 01:04 PM
04-04-2011, 01:07 PM
04-05-2011, 02:58 PM
04-05-2011, 05:47 PM
Anyway, someone with the screen name CGAR conducted some detailed tests on Need 2 Slin recording his postprandial blood sugar levels.
I stick, religiously, with Need 2 Slin, Recompadrol, and Cinnulin (capped raw powder). Although, I WILL add in 4-Hydrxyisoleucine during contest prep if I can find it from a company other than the small amount in Source Natural's Promilin.
04-05-2011, 10:24 PM
04-05-2011, 10:32 PM
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04-06-2011, 06:48 AM