- 08-30-2010, 05:21 AM
Hey all. Just wanted to drop a line and see how much everyone enjoys carnitine. Just the cognitive benefits are enough to keep me using this stuff, but other studies show further benefits as well. Like improved androgen receptorand increased NO levels. I can't live without carnitine. Anyone else feel the same way??
- 08-30-2010, 06:43 AM
I too love Carnitine. It is a backbone ingredient in both ourand products. The stuff has alot of cool benefits
- 08-30-2010, 08:05 AM
been using since RPN put out bulk PLCAR and LCLT (with small breaks of course). Now I rotate between those and PP's GPLC and Arginocarn.
08-30-2010, 08:07 AM
08-30-2010, 08:52 AM
I need to definately hop back on some form of carnitine, i enjoyed it immensely when i was on Primordials Arginocarn.
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08-30-2010, 11:01 AM
I take Arginocarn (Primordial's bulk bags) daily lately. I took a break briefly for no specific reason, but it's funny you mention breaks. Do you think a break is needed when using a carnitine product long term, or switch to a different carnitine, etc?
Some of what I read (abstracts) indicates that the ALCAR has an accumulation type effect, (esp. with treatment of peripheral neuropathy, promoting nerve regeneration, etc), and that could make a case for taking them regularly, depending on why you take them of course.
OTOH, I've read (not in a PubMed article) that ArginoCarn potentiates amphetamine but also increases tolerance to it, so if you take amphetamine regularly (and/or -possibly- some of the amphetamine-like stims like 1,3 dimethylamylamine, sulbutiamine, etc), then periodic breaks might make sense. Definitely more sense than increasing the dose of the stimulant if what I read is actually true. I don't have any studies available to back up that claim that I came across (it just sounded credible in context). I take d-amphetamine daily, and I do notice that ArginoCarn seems to potentiate it, probably via increased monoaminergic activity. The only mechanism I could see for tolerance here would be downregulation of monoaminergic receptors, but again, I haven't seen any studies which suggest that this occurs.
LCLT looks interesting too; how does it compare to ALCAR and ArginoCarn? Or does it better compare to PLCAR and GPLC?
Last, which is your favorite aminocarnitine?
08-30-2010, 12:15 PM
As for "breaks", after about 16 weeks of LCLT/ PLCAR use i take 1 month off. This was recommended by a Genomyx rep. Not sure the reason anymore but i've been following it with no negatives to report so I'm gonna keep on it like that.
i also take AOX about 1.5 to 2 hours after carnitine ingestion. Dsade recommended this to help reduce the free radicals in your body from fat oxidization (if i remember it correctly).
i haven't used ALCAR yet but I'll give it a whirl one of these days.
My favorite is a toss up between LCLT and PLCAR. Both aid fatty acid transport, LCLT for AR upregulation and PLCAR for muscular energy.
LCLT would be better compared to PLCAR and GPLC because it's benefits are mostly noticed over time.
08-30-2010, 05:01 PM
I've used LCLT and PLCAR. They both help with mental clarity for me. I'm on my third bag of GlycoCarn and loving it. Performance wise, GlycoCarn is the best carnitine supplement I've tried.
I haven't tried ArginoCarn yet, but I plan on giving it a shot after finishing up my GlycoCarn.
09-01-2010, 11:22 PM
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09-03-2010, 12:03 AM
i need to do more research but i am 90% positive i read a study that said if you use l-car and alcar together they are counter-productive.
09-03-2010, 01:24 AM
09-03-2010, 01:57 AM
Oh I loved it! But after purchasing it the first time I decided to actually put some money on top of that and get Blue Gene. It don't remember exactly how much is in there but it's a pretty high amount. One of the reasons they say take it pre-workout so it would give you more energy(which it did). But it also helped me plateau bust and loss some fat which was great
09-03-2010, 11:21 AM
09-03-2010, 01:55 PM
I'm really excited to mix GlycoCarn and ArginoCarn. Should be a potent combo.
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09-04-2010, 04:52 PM
ALCAR is GREAT!
just l-carnitine is not so much unless you take 20-30g of it compared to just 1g of ALCAR.
i like it and use 0.5-1.5g daily
09-04-2010, 05:10 PM
09-04-2010, 11:52 PM
I love carnitine. The most exp I have is with LCLT. I've got a big tub of NP ALCAR that I'm about to start dosing @ breakfast.
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