Rauwolscine & water retention

[Superpippo]

When I'm on it I always have A LOT of water retention...really a lot...
before starting it I looked like I was on 10% BF,now I look like I am 14-15% at least...and my weight went up 4 lbs...it has been always like that when I used it.
is it normal?what should I do to avoid it? it's really sad,I feel like I'm not dieting at all

 

[Smitty77]

you'll shed that water weight when you come off.

 

[Superpippo]

yeah,I know...but when I come off of it the summer will be already over.

maybe I have no other choice though...

 

[Smitty77]

touche...

maybe cycle off for 5 days to document your progress, and begin again.

curious, what're you dosing it at?

 

[SBT]

i had never noticed it before... but i've also ever used it when it was contained within a supplement that i am using.

 

[Superpippo]

touche...

maybe cycle off for 5 days to document your progress, and begin again.

curious, what're you dosing it at?

well...my dosing at the moment is

3 OEP (4,5 mg x cps) = 13,5 mg
4 x Alpha Burn (9 mg x cps) = 36 mg

49,5 mg/day

I look like a balloon :sombrero:

 

[Smitty77]

well...my dosing at the moment is

3 OEP (4,5 mg x cps) = 13,5 mg
4 x Alpha Burn (9 mg x cps) = 36 mg

49,5 mg/day

I look like a balloon :sombrero:

ah, didn't think it was part of a product... so perhaps cycling off isn't really an option.

perhaps lower the dosages of each to bring that total mg amount down a bit? not sure if it would affect the remaining ingredients as i don't have the panels in front of me.

for reference, i'm using yohimbine HCL currently, but at no more than 20mg./day to great effect... not retaining water at all.

 

[Outstanding]

I haven't noticed these effects while on Alpha T2, is that because the dosages aren't as high as your protocol?

 

[adamroya]

I haven't noticed these effects while on Alpha T2, is that because the dosages aren't as high as your protocol?

thats funny because I am on day 8 of Alphat2 with a 500-600 calorie deficit and I've stayed the same weight, but lost 1inch on my waist =[

 

[Superpippo]

maybe I can try to lower the amount...I thought it could be more useful this way...

 

[Bnatural]

what is your current water intake? if it's too low you can retain water as well, as your body wants to retain whatever it can. Most people reduce water once bloat starts and that is a very bad idea

 

[Superpippo]

it's quite high...3 to 5 liters,depending on the day...

 

[Bnatural]

it's quite high...3 to 5 liters,depending on the day...

Well, it is A-yohimbe, so it could cause water retention.

Here's an article/abstract I found:

Renal nerve stimulation causes alpha 1-adrenoceptor-mediated sodium retention but not alpha 2-adrenoceptor antagonism of vasopressin.

Smyth DD, Umemura S, Pettinger WA.
Abstract

Renal alpha 2-adrenoceptor stimulation by epinephrine infusion reverses cyclic adenosine monophosphate-mediated effects of vasopressin on sodium and water excretion. We used this response to determine whether renal nerve stimulation can activate renal alpha 2-adrenoceptors in the non-recirculating isolated perfused rat kidney (Krebs-Henseleit solution; 3.5 g/100 ml Ficoll; 1 g/100 ml albumin; 36 degrees C; propranolol 100 nM). In the presence of alpha 1-adrenoceptor blockade with prazosin (30 nM) alpha 2-adrenoceptor stimulation with epinephrine reversed the cyclic adenosine monophosphate-mediated effects of vasopressin on sodium (P less than 0.05) and water (P less than 0.05) excretion. Subthreshold (for vasoconstriction) renal nerve stimulation (10 V; 1 msec; 0.65 +/- 0.10 Hz) failed to alter the effect of vasopressin. Similarly, higher levels of renal nerve stimulation [plus prazosin (100 nM) or phenoxybenzamine (1.0 mg/kg per hr) to block alpha 1-adrenoceptors] did not activate renal alpha 2-adrenoceptors which are associated with the antagonism of the effects of vasopressin. The same level of subthreshold renal nerve stimulation (0.85 +/- 0.14 Hz) in the absence of vasopressin, and without alpha 1- or alpha 2-adrenoceptor blockade, decreased (P less than 0.05) sodium and water excretion. The reversal of this effect by alpha 1-adrenoceptor blockade (prazosin 30 nM) but not alpha 2-adrenoceptor blockade (yohimbine 300 nM) indicates that this effect of renal nerve stimulation is mediated through alpha 1-adrenoceptors. Thus, subthreshold renal nerve stimulation in the rat kidney induces sodium and water retention through activation of alpha 1-adrenoceptors, as shown by others in the rabbit and dog.(ABSTRACT TRUNCATED AT 250 WORDS)

 

[Superpippo]

that's it...today I lowered the dose from 50 to 18mg /day...I lost 3 lbs in almost 12 hours...

 

[Bnatural]

that's it...today I lowered the dose from 50 to 18mg /day...I lost 3 lbs in almost 12 hours...

very interesting, but the biggest key is to take notice of bf.
If its dropped quite a bit, you know to continue to use it, however if you used it for awhile with little effect don't use it again.
Even though you retained some water, the chances are that it was a bit more noticeable to you than others.

 

[Superpippo]

of course someone didn't even notice any water retention,it's different for anyone.
I'm really lucky lol