- 01-17-2011, 11:04 PM
PS: I was also on Clen during my AT2 administration.
- 08-07-2011, 07:22 AM
- 08-07-2011, 10:55 PM
08-09-2011, 08:46 PM
08-10-2011, 07:45 AM
08-12-2011, 07:53 PM
So AnaBeta has some profoundly powerful insulinogenic properties... can someone shed a light on this for me? I am making this same post in two other threads, so excuse the redundancy, only trying to get a rich mixture of opinion. I am thinking of stacking with Racompadrol and Need 2 Slin during my off-cycle/season through the winter as I increase calories to maintain newly realized mass. Thanks!
08-12-2011, 08:46 PM
08-12-2011, 08:58 PM
08-12-2011, 09:16 PM
08-12-2011, 10:28 PM
I know I am biased, but it really is all you need IMO. No need for a test booster + insulin mimetic + whatever else. Just use AnaBeta. Want to lose fat too? Stack with Alpha-T2. Want to go for real lean hard gains and some hormone modulation? Add Erase
CONCLUSIONS Berberine impairs muscle metabolism by two novel mechanisms. It impairs mitochonidrial function stimulating the expression of atrogin-1 without affecting phosphorylation of forkhead transcription factors. The increase in atrogin-1 not only stimulated protein degradation but also suppressed protein synthesis, causing muscle atrophy.
Gotta do your research!
I think I will pass on anything with berberine if I want to gain muscle
08-13-2011, 12:27 AM
You know mullet soldier went over this and tjhay gene is malfunctiomed in diabetics which is why it works that way. In normal people I've yet to see it cause any muscle degredation
Its like hyperthyroidism. Carnitine can reduce t3 yet normal people with good functioning thyroid use it to mobilize fats. Same concept different application. I don't see people tossing their carnitine
08-13-2011, 10:41 AM
Berberine is weak as an "insulin mimetic" and it tears up your GI tract. That alone makes it unattractive.
When there is documented muscular atrophy with it as well, diabetics or not, I think I will pass. Unless there is concrete evidence that it does not happen in normal people.
But still, the fact it will keep you on the toilet for 12 hours a day at an effective dose makes it worth staying away from
08-13-2011, 01:17 PM
My mind definitely ponders Need 2 Slin, Recompadrol, and AnaBeta together... plus a stuffed crust pizza and cinnamon rolls, hahaha!
08-13-2011, 03:36 PM
08-13-2011, 03:50 PM
08-13-2011, 04:08 PM
Especially when there are far better ingredients readily available
08-13-2011, 04:14 PM
08-13-2011, 04:42 PM
Berberine is supposed to keep you regular and used in patients with diarreah.
As far as diabetic study, that's what it is. Ill review it again, which I know mullet soldier did as well. So maybe we shouild search his post.
Yes there are better ingredients for sure no arguement there.
08-13-2011, 11:17 PM
I know how and why berberine shuts off muscle protein synthesis, but I will await the info to see what theories were thrown around in the past. Unfortunately there are a number of ingredients currently sold on the market that do this
08-15-2011, 01:12 AM
08-15-2011, 06:25 PM
I eat a lot, period, calories and carbohydrates, so didn't make a difference as far as what I ate.
AnaBeta exerts a very strong hunger effect and I was eating on every hour pretty much - actually, the only product where I ate more than usual, and was getting close to the 10,000 calories a day that I used to have when I was cycling. I saw good gains, even though my goal when using it was NOT gains, and overall, I went up by 0.6% bodyfat the first time (used for two weeks) and maintained what I was the second time (used a full bottle) - do note that my TRAINING has the MOST effect on me re results and both times I was not even training at Maintenance, this last run only getting in 2-3 training sessions a week, with the second week of use a week off ALL training.
Recompadrol I dosed when I woke up, post-training, and pre-bed. Loved using it pre-bed because I woke the next morning looking and feeling tight and defined. It helped keep me dry and I always felt good on it. My eating was probably the closest to "normal" for me when I was using Recompadrol, but I was also training as "normal" (i.e. at Maintenance) as well.
SLIN I have dosed at 2-5 caps (2 caps being appropriate for me - any higher and I experience insulin-like side effects) per dose several times daily, whilst training normally and at only 2-3 days of training a week. Regardless of the dosage, I experience no bloating or water retention the day AFTER days where I had high-carbohydrate and/or high energy (>4000 cal/day) intake.
Sometimes it's hard to explain to someone who has not used each product, especially since not everyone experiences the same thing, eats the same way, or trains in a similar manner to the person relaying feedback. Hope that helps somewhat, though.
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