Best place to get quality r-ALA, at a decent price?

Alpine

Alpine

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Ive purchased Glucoral-R before and it was a bit expensive for what you got. Also, I remember something about it getting tested and not coming out too well.

Whats the best place to get r-ALA thats known to be legit and dosed correctly?

1fast400?
 
Glucorell is $24
1fast400 is $15
Syntrax R is $15
Legal Gear SLIN is $15

I'm not 100% on the price, though it is around there
 
Anything but the AST 200mg caps, which don't feel like they do as much as 1fast 100mg caps. I was a sucker for the price.
 
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bulk R-ala

the've been testing his products over in avantlabs.com forums and he's looking good.

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swany said:
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bulk R-ala

the've been testing his products over in avantlabs.com forums and he's looking good.

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R-Alpha-Lipoic Acid 40 grams powder -- $29.99 that's a great deal so has anyone tried any? Has it been tested, that link you gave won't allow me to view the 2nd page for some reason.
 
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R-Alpha-Lipoic Acid 40 grams powder -- $29.99 that's a great deal so has anyone tried any? Has it been tested, that link you gave won't allow me to view the 2nd page for some reason.
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here is the second page... Someone might be sending it to be tested soon I believe. I haven't ordered any yet... I buy some of his other stuff... Prices on bulk seemed to good to be true but what I bought (phenibut) worked as good as 1fasts.
 
Hmm interesting, that is cheap. Seems almost too cheap but his other stuff tested out ok. I wish the r-ala had been tested. Also thats raw powder form right? I guess I could just put some in my shakes. How's that stuff taste like that?
 
Alpine said:
Hmm interesting, that is cheap. Seems almost too cheap but his other stuff tested out ok. I wish the r-ala had been tested. Also thats raw powder form right? I guess I could just put some in my shakes. How's that stuff taste like that?
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I always open my capsules and pour it into my shakes.... I don't taste anything different
 
swany said:
I always open my capsules and pour it into my shakes.... I don't taste anything different
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Why bother?
 
Alpine said:
Why bother?
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that's only for my post w/o drink... I just add in all my supps into a shaker... thinks like potassium, magnesium, creatine, r-ala, NAC, sodium go in there with my whey and carbs.... I just put all the powders in there before I go to the gym so I don't have to carry pills in my gym bag... I just add water after the work out and I'm good to go.
 
nice! I use a cap-em-quick for alot of other things, so raw r-ALA powder for cheap sounds.......kickass! :D
 
Shoot I didn't see this thread and posted to another thread...

My r-ala coa is at over 99% and it's being submitted to integrated bio molecule an independent lab this week...as far as I know I have not seen any other suppliers R-ala have the same scrutiny...except maybe geronova.com but they're prices are pretty high...

I've got the r-ala in capsules 140mg capsules with no fillers... 75 capsules for $13.99 and 225 for $35?? something like that :) check out the website at Invalid Link Removed

I'm also submitting samples of phenibut to integrated bio; 1fast has not done so ;)...

Let me know if you have any questions/comments..I'm trying to not be too spammy..

Those lame fucks over at "elite fitness" banned me..and my posts were removed...probably because I was selling stuff for less then them..but either way I don't want to be a walking billboard on the forums...

Thanks,
Mike
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Whats the word on this guy? His prices are insane....

cheapest r-ala ever. either he is scamming somehow or he isnt making dick :D

rizzer you have to understand that this is tough competition. You have to earn the peoples trust and with prices like that people tend to wonder a bit. You would have to do a lot of volume to make it worth your effort and thats obviously not happening yet.

You could send in samples (to be tested) that you know are legit and sell others that might not be. I'd like to see some tests done by random customers .

If you are in fact selling nothing but 100% legit stuff at those prices it wont be long before business is booming. Just look at Sldge and DesignerSupps, everyone trusts him 100% now. When you trust someone you lay down the money a lot easier. I would never think of getting M4OHN from anywhere else. His name carries a lot of weight almost everywhere and thats why hes making money....
 
Well there's a couple comments I could make here...

1. Margins of these other guys are higher then you'd imagine....

I first was hoping to start a business and get equipment to make custom combinations and capsules of materials; since they're were already several very (I assumed) low priced effecient companies offering bulk powders; I figured there was no way I could make much money offering such materials.. after I did a lot more research on acquiring materials; I find out that these other companies are neither low priced nor effecient......I have listed prices that various bulk materials cost from wholesalers in the U.S. and from China before and pissed off a lot of people so I won't keep doing it all over the net; and getting banned from all the sponsored BB's ;).....but basically every reseller of most of these compounds is more then doubling/tripling their money on what they're selling it for...R-ALA is expensive still and there's a lot of competition so with r-ala the markups aren't that bad and there is less room to destroy the competition; but there is still plenty of room ;)...and I can make money with the lowest prices on the net.....I have yet to make a dime on this whole business and have given all my paychecks and any other money I came across into it...but if I do things right I should be making real good money in another couple months...a lot of new businesses wait several years before they make any money...I've also quit my regular job and do this thing full time now...AND I just bought some used dvd's from blockbuster with my paypal debit card ;)...

2. As far as I know; there is nobody selling "bunk" ingredients...in fact the people with highest quality ingredients; generally have a lower price then the ones with quality a little less...at least this is true for those in China/India offering products for sale that I've come across...probably Because the ones selling it the cheapest tend to make it the most; and they get better and better at making it as they get more experienced and make more...but getting things independently tested is always helpful...the guy at the independent lab says though that there are very few materials which are going to come in at above 99%....mostly due to air/water "contamination" of powders shipped thru mail etc....but it depends on the material...I think creatine and phenibut should both come in at above 99% due to the density of the materials and the fact they rarely "pick up" air/water...but I'm not really an expert on the topic...basically what you're looking at is: does it contain "mostly" the product i.e. above 90-95% and does it not contain "impurities" they test for heavy metals and other things and give results on those....containg a few percent of air/water should not harm either you or the product..you'd just have to take a little more of it...

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I actually make an offer to anyone who wants to have my stuff tested...I also offer to pay for tests of other people's stuff because I'm confident that mine is better ;)....

I realize I have my work cut out for me in gaining people's trust; and since many are still ordering from other higher priced suppliers which I don't quite understand that well; it's even harder to gain their trust because they haven't let me ship products to them quickly and with good service yet ;)..

I think the testing "in the wild" is something that no other supplier offers or plans to offer; they are scared of this idea and scared of the results it could bring...they all do the same thing...sell it for such a high price and say "trust us"....this seems to work as people believe that because they're paying for these guys yachts...then the quality must be there..this is simply not true...

My r-ala is actually being submitted by a customer of mine; who has posted results on other products on public forums. If you would like to send in some of my r-ala for testing; I'd be happy to give you store credit for the price of the tests/shipping/materials/etc...The test is $165 and I can give $200 in store credit for the test since you have to waste materials on it and ship them out etc...

I'm hopefully going to improve my website and my automation process with ordering; and as long as I have the best prices and great/fast service then more and more people will order from me...and I'll have the trust of more and more people...

If you (alpine) or other regular posters in here would like to buy my goods on credit; (I'll send you some-rala etc. and you agree to pay me "later") you could then send them in to have tested;(no other higher priced suppliers have had their products independently tested......NO supplier lets customers do this for them) after the results come back I will send you even more goods to cover what you paid for the tests....The forums are a great way to get business; and anyone who is a regular poster..who ends up getting my products tested; is going to be an advertisement that I couldn't find/buy anywhere...So let me know; I'll send you some r-ala powder out on Tuesday; and you can see that the quality is there...you can post your results with it; and everyone benefits...

I'm eventually going to offer free products to anyone who will make a "webjournal" of how they use particular products...but such is a few months away and right now I've got to get more money coming in to order more products....


Let me know if you have any problems/questions or if I'm laying it on a little too thick....

Thanks,
Mike
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All I can say is it sounds like you are serious about your business. I'll just wait to see how the r-ala test goes. I believe the original thread was over at Avant. I saw that something else the guy tested did turn out very well. With nothing but proof and low prices your business will grow. And yes, you are going to piss a lot of people off. :D
I will probably be odering r-ala from you in the future....
Best of Luck
 
Ok, I've got a question about buying R-ALA in powder form, as your prices seem quite good, but I recently came across this on AST's website:

"You see, ALA is a very unstable chemical that will degrade rapidly if exposed to atmospheric conditions for even short periods of time. In fact, when we purchase our ALA it is delivered in special 2 kilogram vacuum packed packages that uses a UV protected plastic. This packaging shields the ALA from both air and light.


It's almost comical how these companies formulate their products. They will read in a magazine where ALA mimics insulin. They will read in another magazine where spiking insulin helps increase creatine uptake. Ding! A light goes off in their head. "We'll add ALA to our creatine and market the **** out of it." That is the extent of the research investment many supplement companies adopt. It's ridiculous.

If you add ALA to a creatine powder the ALA will degrade and become ineffective in a matter of hours. As the ALA is dispersed in the powder it's exposure to massive amounts of air, light, and moisture causes rapid degradation. By the time you purchase the product, the ALA is useless. This is why you should never use a creatine with the ALA already mixed in. This is exactly why we do not add ALA to any of our powders. To get the added benefits that ALA has on creatine uptake you should take the ALA in capsule form along with your creatine. The capsule will protect the ALA from outside elements and ensure that you are getting the full potency"
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This statement was in response to someone having asked a question about certain companies mixing R-ALA powder in their Creatine / cell volumizer formulas. What are everyone's thoughts on this?
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rizzer: What do you have to say about summer deliviers? Obviously they need to all be shipped air. Normal ground will basically ruin any r-ala shipment in this heat. All supp companies should be shipping r-ala air in summer or at least notifying customers.

Hu-Max makes some kickass stuff but its too expensive. VitaminShoppe.com sells it for like $28 a bottle. Its said to be likely the best r-ala on the market but thats too much for most of us. Especially at 600-800mg/day.

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What you need to know when buying R-Lipoic Acid..."the sticky truth"


R-Lipoic Acid (RLA) is one of the most important and exciting new nutraceutical compounds to hit the market. It is a powerful antioxidant, a critical co-factor in ATP production and has been shown to be more effective by a factor of 10 over the commercially available Alpha Lipoic Acid in several bio-tests. This implies that S-LA found in Alpha Lipoic Acid is interfering with the body's utilization of the natural R form. To learn more about what exactly is the difference between SLA and RLA click HERE

R-Lipoic Acid naturally polymerizes into a glue-like substance.

RLA is a highly unstable compound that easily breaks down into a sticky rubber or glue-like substance if it is not prepared, stored and processed correctly. Even under the best conditions, regular RLA is extremely unstable. Exposure to air, light, moisture and temperatures slightly above ambient drastically reduces shelf life and increases the formation of this unwanted bi-product that may impair its intended benefit.

When you buy regular RLA:

* Opened and refrigerated bottles of finished regular RLA capsules maintain their potency for 6 months before the polymer content begins to grow.
* Around 30 days in un-refrigerated capsules and powder
* One hour in a hot car can cause 100% degraded RLA.
Depending on how long the competitors RLA has been in the store shelf you may be buying useless degraded RLA

When you buy HUMAX R-Lipoic Acid
Specifications for HUMAX R-Lipoic Acid:
Only RLA of the highest purity is utilized, after independent analysis confirms the RLA/SLA ratio. Our typical RLA content >99.4%, SLA=0.2-0.6% with a total ALA content of > 99.8%. The polymer content of the starting material is typically between 0.2-0.4%.

* Our special process of making Potassium R-Lipoate instead of regular RLA means that our products have a minimum shelf life of 3 years without the need for refrigeration.
* The material is non hygroscopic and does not require any special handling. So you can be confident that you are buying the purest RLA available.


THE DEVELOPING RLA MARKET

Now that the differences between racemic alpha lipoic acid (bubble: A mixture of 50%SLA and 50% RLA) and pure RLA are becoming known, many new companies are attempting to manufacture and introduce RLA products into the market. Several of these companies have not been able to consistently produce a quality product with high RLA only purity. There are wide variations in the R/S ratios and total polymer contents of raw material and finished products.

Other companies have not passed on information concerning RLA instability because their products have not been analyzed with state-of-the-art tests (Bubble the test is called Enantioselective HPLC and shows how much SLA and RLA content is in a mixture)to identify RLA only purity. Frequently other supplement companies or on line stores are relying solely on the manufacturer's Certificate of Analysis or are sending samples to analytical labs whose analysts have limited experience with chirality testing (to learn more about chirality click HERE ), which reveals the RLA and SLA ratios and total polymer content.

We keep hearing from customers that several otherwise reputable analytical labs claim that it is impossible to test the R/S ratio by HPLC. There are several peer reviewed articles utilizing three different enantioselective tests for quantifying both RLA and SLA in the literature.

Few supplement companies and even fewer on-line vendors have experience with RLA and are unaware of the myriad problems associated with its encapsulation and stability. The heat of friction and exposure to air during normal blending and encapsulation processes are sufficient to initiate the HYPERLINK "http://www.geronova.com/polymers-of-lipoic-acid.PDF" polymerization of both RLA and ALA (although the heat stability is slightly higher for the racemic mixture).

Since the beginning of 2003, dozens of new companies have introduced RLA in finished products with widely varying prices and quality. Learn more HERE link

Not all R-lipoic acids are created equal


HUMAX tests it’s RLA at every step of the manufacturing process to ensure that we provide our customers with only the highest quality and highest purity R-Lipoic Acid available.
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They also have a section that shows some tests on competition. Too bad they cant show actual company names - would be interesting. r-ala is a very shady area in supps right now. I'd say a good 50% of whats being sold is completely worthless. The remainder is probably less than 95% and thats if its kept in temp. control and air mailed to you....
 
The K-rla might be a little better then regular rala; It's also more expensive..

HUMAX is buying their rla from geronova.com and that's where all that information came from; I have exchanged messages with these guys (geronova) as well and might try buying their k-rla I think they're claims about other r-ala being bad are exagerated...but many suppliers don't know anything about keeping the product cool/dry and might be storing it in hot areas...unless the area is really hot ..it's not going to degrade very much IMHO...I'm not a big expert on this subject but I have done a good bit of research on it..

The r-ala I currently have was manufactured in april and has been refrigerated since it arrived....I don't think it has lost any potency....I've contacted geronova about doing a "chiral column anaylsis" or my r-ala and they said yes but haven't given me pricing info yet....

I'm probably going to carry the k-rala as well; I don't think you will ever notice a difference between the two products if you don't put your r-ala in a very hot environment BUT r-ala does not blend well with other materials and geronova's modified r-ala is free flowing and supposedly blends well;(I have destroyed several hundred dollars of Idebnone and r-ala trying to make products containing them both) So I will probably use that (the k-rala) in formulas and such...but still offer the regular r-ala in powder for a very cheap price...

I'm thinking of carrying the fancy prohormones maybe within the next few weeks and might include milk thistle and k-rla in the capsule with them..I won't list them or the prices here out of respect for the people who sponsor this board....

Thanks,
Mike
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Nice reply..

If you do everything on the up and up and still offer good prices your business will thrive. All it takes is one bad lab test and you're done though. It sounds like you are sincere about offering quality stuff for cheaper prices. Keep up the good work - word will spread and the products "should" speak for themselves.....

Like I said before, your r-ala caps are very tempting at that price.
R-ALA-- 75 capsules 140mg per capsule -- $13.99

Bump that to 100 caps and its killer, Raise it to $15 and youre stroking the competition still.

Also the site is good but not really focused on your "target market" very well. It has an unusual look about it and your name really isnt too catchy/memorable. Look at 1fast400's site for example. He also went to the trouble of registering another domain name (Invalid Link Removed) and getting a seperate Bulk Nutrition logo. I know you want more informed customers who dont need fancy websites and names but you cant deny the kind of volume these things will help produce. Look at Bodybuilding.com, their bread and butter is newbie customers and they are doing very well....
 
Ive got a bug up my ass about this Smi2le.biz website

Be leary of this website...be very very leary.


gabadabavodoo
 
Smi2le.biz

This guy sounds great online in forums, but order something from him/her and see what happens. I have never recieved my order and neither has a friend who i told to order. Prices seem great, and he/she seems so up, but wait till you deal with them, there is a personality change. Maybe they should really try taking smart drugs. All im saying is that there seems to be two differnt Mickaels, the one online selling his website, and the real one that you deal with.

Gabadaba
 
gabadaba said:
This guy sounds great online in forums, but order something from him/her and see what happens. I have never recieved my order and neither has a friend who i told to order. Prices seem great, and he/she seems so up, but wait till you deal with them, there is a personality change. Maybe they should really try taking smart drugs. All im saying is that there seems to be two differnt Mickaels, the one online selling his website, and the real one that you deal with.

Gabadaba
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I have ordered hundreds of dollars of stuff off him with no issues at all.... He is was out of stock on some things, but I got A Lot more than I paid for when I got my product, which was like a week or two later.

Emails could be better but I think he is really busy... anyway, I hope it works out for you.
 
Thank you

Okay,
Then i give up. Im glad to hear positive feedback about him. As for emails, they might as well not exisit. After i oirdered i had to email him to find out if he ever recieved my $$, which he did, but he didnt even email me to tell me thanks. Nothing, untili emailed him. I ordered on 6/1/04 and live on the west coast. He is on the east coast. I emailed him yesterday to ask what is going on, no reply, yet he is always on these forums, chatting, posting.

I would love to be proved wrong here, but my friend has had the exact experience. I dont care if shipping takes 10 days, which it has, but i expect some kind of customer service. That would go a lot further than fast shipping. Just a response, a concern, a care, but nothing.

Once again thank you for your kind words and support of his website. Proof is in the pudding, he has not earned my trust at all.

This is my honest experience with Smi2le.biz.

Gabadabavoodoo



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I have ordered hundreds of dollars of stuff off him with no issues at all.... He is was out of stock on some things, but I got A Lot more than I paid for when I got my product, which was like a week or two later.

Emails could be better but I think he is really busy... anyway, I hope it works out for you.
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gabadaba said:
This is a copy of the email i sent to Michael regarding my order of 6/1/04.

This is a Return Receipt for the mail that you sent to [email protected]: This Return Receipt only acknowledges that the message was displayed on therecipient's computer. There is no guarantee that the recipient has read or understoodthe message contents.Not a fucking word about the order. Now i will call my bank and file a complaint. gabadabavoodoo
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If you only emailed him yesterday regarding the status of your order, then I would give it more time. He might be overwhelmed right now. This is a very new company and it might not have the service you'd find at maybe 1fast400, but his prices and quality are great. I really do recommend you give him more time. He'll probably give you more than you ordered too. There is is a lot of interest in the products he's carrying and he might be getting hammered with orders......
 
okay..ill take your advice

I will wait....but im still not happy with the service...and i order online all the time. Im going to tell you what i look for in a company that i order from...good customer service. That is the #1 priority. I understand shipping problems, and the postal service, etc. Im sorry, but if you dont have good customer service, you will not succeed, no matter how low your prices are. Im on a pharmacy forum, and that is the #1 priority of 90% of the people. If you dont communicate, you will go down.......


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If you only emailed him yesterday regarding the status of your order, then I would give it more time. He might be overwhelmed right now. This is a very new company and it might not have the service you'd find at maybe 1fast400, but his prices and quality are great. I really do recommend you give him more time. He'll probably give you more than you ordered too. There is is a lot of interest in the products he's carrying and he might be getting hammered with orders......
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Why is it that someone who has 4 posts, all bashing this guy is THE ONLY one Ive heard that has any sort of problem with Rizzer. Everyone Ive talked to at avant raves, and swany seems to have no problems. Just seems strange, thats all.
 
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Maybe becasue i just orderd for my first time. If you wnat me to lie, to make you feel better i will.

gabadabavoodoo

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Why is it that someone who has 4 posts, all bashing this guy is THE ONLY one Ive heard that has any sort of problem with Rizzer. Everyone Ive talked to at avant raves, and swany seems to have no problems. Just seems strange, thats all.
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Is posting my experience bashing?

I just ordered for my first time last week, and this is my honest opinion. Im sorry not to be as wise as you. As i got more irritated, i stared researching Smi2le on the web and notiched that that were posts all over the place. I wanted to see ehat other people had to say, and i admit , they are all fairly positive, but their are some people who are very speptical. Try puncing in smi2le.biz and read for yourselves. I thought my experience would be appreicted, but i guess i was wrong. Sorry to watse your valuable time. No need in emailing me, becasue ii wont be posting anymore.


Gabadabavoodoo
 
gabadaba said:
I just ordered for my first time last week, and this is my honest opinion. Im sorry not to be as wise as you. As i got more irritated, i stared researching Smi2le on the web and notiched that that were posts all over the place. I wanted to see ehat other people had to say, and i admit , they are all fairly positive, but their are some people who are very speptical. Try puncing in smi2le.biz and read for yourselves. I thought my experience would be appreicted, but i guess i was wrong. Sorry to watse your valuable time. No need in emailing me, becasue ii wont be posting anymore.


Gabadabavoodoo
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What the heck was that all about? He needed a big "thank you" for the purchase, and he gets mad if he doesn't get an email response in a day? If anyone should be thanking someone, Mike should be thanked for the prices. I do all the time.
 
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I understand you have not had a pleasant experience with them, that's unfortunate and I hope it can be resolved soon. :)

With that said I think you need to chill out here. Apparently not many people have had too many bad experiences with him as you have, so you're warning should also be taken with a grain of salt.

Can you please provide some links to others who have had bad experiences for us? That would help in better establishing a reputation for Invalid Link Removed, as your account alone does not IMO justify not buying from him, although it does make me take caution.
 
Not to turn this into an attack...but by simply posting...

gabadaba said:
Be leary of this website...be very very leary.


gabadabavodoo
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doesn't really come off as a constructive or helpful post whatsoever. Also, your post count has nothing to do with Rizzer's business/order. Message boards like this are about community and trust. While I respect your opinion and your experiences with this....you are new to the community and at least for me, short on trust.
 
I figure I should pop in on this thread real quick...

1. I disagree with the idea that my name sucks. I think my name is the single coolest thing about my business ;)..someone I was talking to at a party actually said my name was too cool and great just to be selling smart drugs and I should not have such a cool name =)....but time will tell...names like bulknutrition.com and bodybuilding.com are easy to remember and make you think there's a big company behind them etc. but they are too generic...there's no real "brand name" there..I think 1fast400 is actually better then bulknutrition because it's different enough that you can have certain assocations with it and you'll know it is a certain company/people that you're dealing with when you say "1fast".....something like bodybuilding.com is too generic and will never have any real brand recognition beyond what it currently has...download.com might have more people downloading stuff then anywhere else; but someday someone with a goofy name will make a better site and the name "download.com" won't matter as much anymore....

2. I've answered almost all emails I've gotten within a few hours of receiving them...the one guy who complained in this tread about me sent me multiple messages saying I was a scammer/theif...then a few hours later his messages got even nastier...When I first read his messages my instinct was to tell him he wasn't allowed to order from me and to take his business elsewhere; but instead I played the kiss ass business man role and said I understood his concerns and would try to do the best I can; I then answered a bunch of other questions from him; but he still complains about me....There is really not much I can do to prevent this sort of thing; you can't please everyone and there's always going to be some people who'd rather do business elsewhere; that's why it's a free market and competition is always helpful....

I have sent out some orders late and have been somewhat disorganized with a few things; but everyone whose order went out late I sent them extra products along with it and most of them have been very happy...I'm hoping to improve some things about my site and order process and get all the kinks worked out in the next few weeks; but if you're order gets screwed up somehow; then lucky you! Because I usually send you an extra bottle of stuff to make up for the delays/problems...I figure if I keep doing this I will lose enough money that I'll make sure not to screw up any orders in the future =)...

I also will be hiring some help over the next few weeks and I'll be more and more on top of email and have things better organized; If you have any questions/concerns you can email me at : [email protected] and I will get back to you quickly...

Beyond-a-century sells r-ala 20grams for $18.75; I sell 40grams for $29.99 so my prices are a bit better;...... some people have expressed concerns about r-ala degrading in heat/light and problems with the capsuling/blending process...so I'm going to be carrying k-rala as well(the fancy stuff that doesn't degrade)....I'm about to order it probably right now....it'll probably be about $1.00 per gram for the bulk powder and the capsules should not be much more then that as I've just paid for semi-automatic capsule machines and am going to try to sell almost everything in capsules from now on; as I've bought the powders myself before and rarely got around to capsuling/using alot of the stuff I bought and think it's better if I have the equipment to take care of this part of the process for the customers...

GabaDaba: I understand that you may have been scammed before and thats why you were so nasty to me in your emails; but I think I'm owed a bit more respect then you showed me; I try my best to answer emails quickly and to be nice to anyone who has any questions; I apologize for any screw ups with your order or with emails; I'm currently overburdened trying to run this business by myself and may have not done everything I'd like to be doing with it..... but if you can't apologize to me for your previous emails and show me a little bit of respect when placing an order; then I ask that you take your business elsewhere.

Thanks,
Mike
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I think this guy should be given a fair shake.... hes trying to break into the industry and its very competitive. His prices are good and he sounds legit - other posts from another board show a postive test result on some of his products. He has posted what he gets bulk amounts for numerous times. No other guys will post this because they dont want anyone to know what they pay and then mark it up for. rizzer has admitted his profit margin is lower than most - and this is what he is using to expand/improve his business through word of mouth. I plan on trying his r-ala in the near future....
 
rizzer said:
I'm also submitting samples of phenibut to integrated bio; 1fast has not done so

As far as I know; there is nobody selling "bunk" ingredients...

but getting things independently tested is always helpful... But I do plan to have everything tested randomly by customers; if you check out my website at Invalid Link Removed
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rizzer, a few comments:

1. a lot of companies enjoyed very little confidence when they first started, but sledge, for example, gained it by being one of the few guys who tested his stuff and published the tests, and he was also a straight-up guy on these message boards. by the way, some of his tests showed that he had received **** material from china and as i understand they did not refund so be careful when you commit funds.

2. 1fast used to test products. out of 20 or so tests that he did test i think 5 came back good. the other products did not meet label claims or did not even contain the actives.

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3. 1fast also tested some r-ala. i think his came back at 95% pure and the other guy's (gluceroll r if i remember correctly), came out at 50% pure so that's why the consumers are a lot of us are paranoid about the r-ala quality. in addition there are many claims that it goes bad in heat (r-ala more so than ala).

4. 1fast kept getting sued for testing other people's products even though he used independent labs for the testing. i think he mentioned having lost at least $45K on legal fees, and has therefore stopped testing. so if you plan to test other guy's stuff then make sure you can afford the lawsuits. however, if you test your own stuff and post the lab results on your site, then i'm sure you'd gain a lot of customers.

5. you policy of letting others test your stuff sounds risky b/c a competitor could order some - do a switch - test - and then post the bad results posing as a customer. and if the stuff you've already sold comes out bad even once then your reputation is tainted forever.

6. lastly, i did order some aniracetam and phenibut from rizzer about a month ago and his service was excellent and the products seem legit as far as i can tell by just consuming them. please add some vinpocetine and alpha GPC. the latter is especially expensive at bac which is the only place i know that has it for reasonable prices, so if you could provide it for a good price and quality then that would be awesome. good luck.

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rizzer said:
I'm thinking of carrying the fancy prohormones maybe within the next few weeks
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also, the above comment seemed a little weird given that congress has already voted to ban prohormones. the senate still needs to vote on it and the president needs to okay it but from what i've heard that could happen anyday. 1fast said the insiders expect maybe 4-6 weeks (that was a week ago), though no one knows and apparently there will be no grace period for sales. so there really isn't much future in ph/ps sales, but there is a lot of risk of getting stuck with a bunch of stuff that will be scheduled and even possession will become illegal.

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rizzer said:
Well there's a couple comments I could make here...

1. Margins of these other guys are higher then you'd imagine....

I first was hoping to start a business and get equipment to make custom combinations and capsules of materials; since they're were already several very (I assumed) low priced effecient companies offering bulk powders; I figured there was no way I could make much money offering such materials.. after I did a lot more research on acquiring materials; I find out that these other companies are neither low priced nor effecient......I have listed prices that various bulk materials cost from wholesalers in the U.S. and from China before and pissed off a lot of people so I won't keep doing it all over the net; and getting banned from all the sponsored BB's ;).....but basically every reseller of most of these compounds is more then doubling/tripling their money on what they're selling it for...R-ALA is expensive still and there's a lot of competition so with r-ala the markups aren't that bad and there is less room to destroy the competition; but there is still plenty of room ;)...and I can make money with the lowest prices on the net.....I have yet to make a dime on this whole business and have given all my paychecks and any other money I came across into it...but if I do things right I should be making real good money in another couple months...a lot of new businesses wait several years before they make any money...I've also quit my regular job and do this thing full time now...AND I just bought some used dvd's from blockbuster with my paypal debit card ;)...

2. As far as I know; there is nobody selling "bunk" ingredients...in fact the people with highest quality ingredients; generally have a lower price then the ones with quality a little less...at least this is true for those in China/India offering products for sale that I've come across...probably Because the ones selling it the cheapest tend to make it the most; and they get better and better at making it as they get more experienced and make more...but getting things independently tested is always helpful...the guy at the independent lab says though that there are very few materials which are going to come in at above 99%....mostly due to air/water "contamination" of powders shipped thru mail etc....but it depends on the material...I think creatine and phenibut should both come in at above 99% due to the density of the materials and the fact they rarely "pick up" air/water...but I'm not really an expert on the topic...basically what you're looking at is: does it contain "mostly" the product i.e. above 90-95% and does it not contain "impurities" they test for heavy metals and other things and give results on those....containg a few percent of air/water should not harm either you or the product..you'd just have to take a little more of it...

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I actually make an offer to anyone who wants to have my stuff tested...I also offer to pay for tests of other people's stuff because I'm confident that mine is better ;)....

I realize I have my work cut out for me in gaining people's trust; and since many are still ordering from other higher priced suppliers which I don't quite understand that well; it's even harder to gain their trust because they haven't let me ship products to them quickly and with good service yet ;)..

I think the testing "in the wild" is something that no other supplier offers or plans to offer; they are scared of this idea and scared of the results it could bring...they all do the same thing...sell it for such a high price and say "trust us"....this seems to work as people believe that because they're paying for these guys yachts...then the quality must be there..this is simply not true...

My r-ala is actually being submitted by a customer of mine; who has posted results on other products on public forums. If you would like to send in some of my r-ala for testing; I'd be happy to give you store credit for the price of the tests/shipping/materials/etc...The test is $165 and I can give $200 in store credit for the test since you have to waste materials on it and ship them out etc...

I'm hopefully going to improve my website and my automation process with ordering; and as long as I have the best prices and great/fast service then more and more people will order from me...and I'll have the trust of more and more people...

If you (alpine) or other regular posters in here would like to buy my goods on credit; (I'll send you some-rala etc. and you agree to pay me "later") you could then send them in to have tested;(no other higher priced suppliers have had their products independently tested......NO supplier lets customers do this for them) after the results come back I will send you even more goods to cover what you paid for the tests....The forums are a great way to get business; and anyone who is a regular poster..who ends up getting my products tested; is going to be an advertisement that I couldn't find/buy anywhere...So let me know; I'll send you some r-ala powder out on Tuesday; and you can see that the quality is there...you can post your results with it; and everyone benefits...

I'm eventually going to offer free products to anyone who will make a "webjournal" of how they use particular products...but such is a few months away and right now I've got to get more money coming in to order more products....


Let me know if you have any problems/questions or if I'm laying it on a little too thick....

Thanks,
Mike
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Have your products been independently tested yet? Also can you please explain your shipping methods? How do you keep the R-ALA cool at all times when shipping during the summer?
 
Also what do you guys think of Glucorell-R? Looks good because it contains biotin

and has been independently tested as 100% pure.
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FreakMonster said:
Also what do you guys think of Glucorell-R? Looks good because it contains biotin

and has been independently tested as 100% pure.
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didn't 1fast test this product to find that the caps only contained 50% of amount on the label.

the results you posted just tell me that the product is 100% pure (100% anything makes me suspicious), but it does not say that the caps of glucorell-R contain 100% of the amount of the label. correct me if i'm wrong here.

also, if you believe the biotin is important with r-ala, then why not just buy the bulk biotin powder and take a little bit of it with you r-ala to save money since gluceroll-R is much more expensive than most other r-ala products.

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I purchased from rizzer. the prices can't be beat. i got some of my shipment and then got the rest a couple of weeks later because he was behind. I did get Extra stuff. It seems that he got behind and ran out of stuff.

He did answer my emails and promised to hire more people so i am willing to continue giving him my business until he messes up. New business take time to stabilize and get things rolling smoothly.

I will say one thing though, Rizzer, you need to tell people that the product is going to ship a little late. believe it or not, customers understand and would rather know than have the product show up 2 weeks late. But there was extra stuff!

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Awesome, thanks Sheesh. Its the only brand that my sup store carries so I was hoping I could use that since they sell it cheap.
 
I want the K-RALA. This site says r-ala turns into junk pretty fast.

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The have K-rala in tablet form for more money, but who knows if
the r-ala we've been buying is any good.
[size=+1]K-RALA™ Capsules[/size] 100
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100mg stable R-Lipoic Acid capsules
150 mcg D-Biotin

90 vegcaps $29.95 ​
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I asked Mike Rizzer if he is going to carry it soon. I'll let you know what he says​
 
Yeah..I added the k-rala...and the prohormones ;).....let me know any thoughts or comments....

edit: I should add...I think someone asked about the regular r-ala getting tested...the customer who was going to send it in;I don't think he ever sent it in.....I was more then happy to give him the store credit on it; but can't really force people to do that type of work as it's a pain in the ass to fill out the paperwork; send in the samples it costs almost $200 etc....but anyone here is welcome to test my stuff and get store credit for it......but I'd recommend the k-rala for anyone whose truely concerned about such things; ....bought it from those people at geronova ...sure they have a lot of the negative info about the r-ala and have the patented somewhat better k-rala at a higher price...but they offer discounts if I Buy more and promised to eventually be about the same price as the chinese r-ala by 2005 or so...so I think I"m probably gonna push the k-rala almost totally and put the regular r-ala on the backburner....just offering it enough so I can sell my current stock etc....
 
Bump from the dead! :)


Is this company still alive? Any more feedback on his R-ALA? Did it get tested?
The k-r-ala he'll carry is the same as the geronova's rght?
 
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