Bizarre question about BCAA's and digestion

[Whacked]

Help me out fellas

I have been practically abusing BCAA's and EAA's to the peril of my wallet. Currently up to 60 grams a day ($$$$$).

Yes, they work well and do everything they claim to (big shocker). I love what these do for me first thing AM, pre/mid/ post workt out.

Here's the deal. I simply cannot digest ANY protein powders as they all lead to massive bloating, diarrhea, and indigestion. I only mix them in water and I've tried them all (whey, caseinate, egg, hydrosolate, blends, etc). I've also added digestive enzymes and ginger to no avail.

I've tried ALL the big name brands including many sponsors on this site's brands. These just plain wreck me.

I need to figure out what my deal is b/c it is a hell of a lot cheaper to get higher protein intakle from shakes than $$$-BCAA's

 

[Robboe]

Help me out fellas

I have been practically abusing BCAA's and EAA's to the peril of my wallet. Currently up to 60 grams a day ($$$$$).

Yes, they work well and do everything they claim to (big shocker). I love what these do for me first thing AM, pre/mid/ post workt out.

Here's the deal. I simply cannot digest ANY protein powders as they all lead to massive bloating, diarrhea, and indigestion. I only mix them in water and I've tried them all (whey, caseinate, egg, hydrosolate, blends, etc). I've also added digestive enzymes and ginger to no avail.

I've tried ALL the big name brands including many sponsors on this site's brands. These just plain wreck me.

I need to figure out what my deal is b/c it is a hell of a lot cheaper to get higher protein intakle from shakes than $$$-BCAA's

So ditch them. Get your protein from whole foods.

 

[Whacked]

I do. I already eat 5-6 smaller FOOD meals per day. I'm 215 pounds and get in about 225-250 grams from food.

I'm a low carb guy and always try to keep protein UP.

Also, 1st thing in the AM, pre/mid/post work out I just cannot have MEAT sitting in my stomach! Hence the need/objective for BCAA's or Shakes.

 

[Robboe]

I do. I already eat 5-6 smaller FOOD meals per day. I'm 215 pounds and get in about 225-250 grams from food.

I'm a low carb guy and always try to keep protein UP.

Also, 1st thing in the AM, pre/mid/post work out I just cannot have MEAT sitting in my stomach! Hence the need/objective for BCAA's or Shakes.

10g BCAA pre-workout. A large meal post-workout. No need for any extra EAA.

 

[fadi]

What type of protein did you use before? don't use concentrates stick with isolates

 

[dropshot001]

What type of protein did you use before? don't use concentrates stick with isolates

exactly.

and if you don't want to go with whey you can use something else such as gemma or beef protein

 

[TheNinja]

I've never tried it, but isn't there some protein based on Goat milk or something? Maybe that would work for you?

 

[fadi]

The bloating is usually from the lactose. I would imagine it is in goat milk as well. I didn't look it up, but I also believe goat milk is lower in some amino acids than cow milk.

I drink lactose free milk and take isolates only because I have digestion problems with lactose. I had some yogurt the otherday spiked with milk protein (most likely concentrate) and I had horrible bloating and digestion. I had to take my digestive enzymes to help a little.

Taking BCAAs only is not sufficient since it is only 3 amino acids. And the body will probably burn some of them due to the spike in blood amino acids. Now, if the diet is high in protein from food, then there is no big deal since the body has the other amino acids. BCAAs in this case are being utilized during the workout window (pre, during, post).

Taking complete proteins from food and powders will release amino acids into the blood at a slower rate. Whey is faster than other forms, it still slower than free form amino acids and is impacted by other foods eaten during the day.

 

[Whacked]

Thanks buddy

The bloating is usually from the lactose. I would imagine it is in goat milk as well. I didn't look it up, but I also believe goat milk is lower in some amino acids than cow milk.

I drink lactose free milk and take isolates only because I have digestion problems with lactose. I had some yogurt the otherday spiked with milk protein (most likely concentrate) and I had horrible bloating and digestion. I had to take my digestive enzymes to help a little.

Taking BCAAs only is not sufficient since it is only 3 amino acids. And the body will probably burn some of them due to the spike in blood amino acids. Now, if the diet is high in protein from food, then there is no big deal since the body has the other amino acids. BCAAs in this case are being utilized during the workout window (pre, during, post).

Taking complete proteins from food and powders will release amino acids into the blood at a slower rate. Whey is faster than other forms, it still slower than free form amino acids and is impacted by other foods eaten during the day.

 

[OnTheRoadTo]

Try LG lipotrophic protein. I kind of liked it and could tell it digests differently.

 

[Robboe]

I've never tried it, but isn't there some protein based on Goat milk or something? Maybe that would work for you?

Goatein.

I've never tried it though.

 

[TheNinja]

Goatein.

I've never tried it though.

Nice!! If there isn't someone marketing goat protein as "goatein" there certainly should be. Has a nice ring to it...lol.

 

[Unclebuck]

Do not confuse lactose tolerance with milk protein allergy. While some of the symptoms are the same(some of your symptoms), they are two different things. You can be allergic to both whey and casein, regardless of the lactose content. A portion of people with this allergy will also be allergic to other proteins such as eggs and soy. So this would be in line with what you have said. Also goats milk shares the same problems. If I am not mistaken,the hydrolyzed caseins are not supposed to cause an allergic response. (If this is in fact your problem). Yes, ditch most of the BCAAS except around workout time. Good luck.

 

[Robboe]

Nice!! If there isn't someone marketing goat protein as "goatein" there certainly should be. Has a nice ring to it...lol.

I wish i had come up with it! But alas, i did not.

http://www.google.com/products?hl=en&q=goatein&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=wf

 

[Unclebuck]

Sorry. That was lactose intolerance....sp.

 

[Breastsqueeze]

Kind of funny, seems like i have more trouble digesting more than two scoops of xtend in a day than a couple hundred grams of whey isolate.

 

[AntonG42O]

EAA (in liquid form) are very essential post wo. there is such a negative nitrogen balance from all the protein breakdown during lifting and after, EAA's help you go into a positive balance and become anabolic. after the PRO shake a meal is optimal. the protein from food can take up to 2hrs to hit the blood stream, so a liquid form of EAAs is needed if you are bodybuilding.

 

[fadi]

Actually that is not entirely correct. You do need amino acids in your body. The food you ate and digested prior to workout may have bigger impact than post workout nutrition.

Also, fast is not always best. Research shown whey + casein is much better than whey alone. Casein is known for its slow digestion. So the research is showed slower digestion may have as big of an impact if not arguably better impact than whey post workout. With that said, free form amino acids may not be optimal post workout.

For optimal results, you should take your protein before and after your workout.

 

[AntonG42O]

yeah EAAs in form of whey protein, exactly