Protein dosage discrepancies

[Anabolic]

I originally posted this on BB.com but did not get much of a response. I thought I'd post this here and see what your thoughts are.



I have been planning/tweaking my diet.

What I found was one scoop of protein from one brand has a different amount of protein from another brand so I decided to do some comparisons.

What I found was a HUGE variation. One scoop of one brand lists as high as 27.5g of protein while another brand lists as low as 13g!

And they all use the size scoops! All use 70cc scoops except for ProBlend-55 which uses 90cc scoops.

All comparisons are done among "pure protein" powders only.



Here is I found:

HDT ProBlend-55:
2 scoops (70g)
Protein - 55g
Scoop size - 90cc
(1 scoop = 27.5g protein out of a 90cc scoop)

Optimum Pro Complex:
2 scoops (70g)
Protein - 55g
Scoop size - 70cc
(1 scoop = 27.5g protein out of a 70cc scoop)

ISS Research Pro M3:
3 scoops (67g) --------> 1 scoop = 22.3g
Protein - 50g
Scoop size 70cc
(1 scoop = 16.6g protein out of a 70cc scoop)



Biotest Grow:
1 scoop (28.5g)
Protein - 20g
Scoop size 70cc

Optimum 100% Whey:
1 scoop (29.4g)
Protein - 22g
Scoop size - 70cc

Scitec Protein Delite:
1 scoop (20g)
Protein - 13g
Scoop size - 70cc (not 100% sure because I lost the scooper)



1 scoop servings:
The difference in protein between Boitest Grow and Optimum 100% Whey is small (20g vs. 22g) and could be due to due to the kinds of protein (casein vs. whey) but why does one 70cc scoop list 29.4g and another 28.5g? Look at Scitec - one scoop is only 20g!

55g proteins (2-scoop servings):
I feel that ProBlend-55 and ProComplex are both "identical" competitors- 55g per 2-scoop serving but ProBlend-55 uses a 90cc scoop and Pro Complex only uses a 70cc scoop!

Extreme comparisons:
If you compare Pro Complex with Protein Delite, one 70cc scoop of Pro Complex provides 27.5g of protein while one 70cc scoop of Protein Delite only provides 13g of protein! That is less than half the protein!


What the ****???

 

[Sheesh]

I originally posted this on BB.com but did not get much of a response. I thought I'd post this here and see what your thoughts are.



I have been planning/tweaking my diet.

What I found was one scoop of protein from one brand has a different amount of protein from another brand so I decided to do some comparisons.

What I found was a HUGE variation. One scoop of one brand lists as high as 27.5g of protein while another brand lists as low as 13g!

And they all use the size scoops! All use 70cc scoops except for ProBlend-55 which uses 90cc scoops.

All comparisons are done among "pure protein" powders only.



Here is I found:

HDT ProBlend-55:
2 scoops (70g)
Protein - 55g
Scoop size - 90cc
(1 scoop = 27.5g protein out of a 90cc scoop)

Optimum Pro Complex:
2 scoops (70g)
Protein - 55g
Scoop size - 70cc
(1 scoop = 27.5g protein out of a 70cc scoop)

ISS Research Pro M3:
3 scoops (67g) --------> 1 scoop = 22.3g
Protein - 50g
Scoop size 70cc
(1 scoop = 16.6g protein out of a 70cc scoop)



Biotest Grow:
1 scoop (28.5g)
Protein - 20g
Scoop size 70cc

Optimum 100% Whey:
1 scoop (29.4g)
Protein - 22g
Scoop size - 70cc

Scitec Protein Delite:
1 scoop (20g)
Protein - 13g
Scoop size - 70cc (not 100% sure because I lost the scooper)



1 scoop servings:
The difference in protein between Boitest Grow and Optimum 100% Whey is small (20g vs. 22g) and could be due to due to the kinds of protein (casein vs. whey) but why does one 70cc scoop list 29.4g and another 28.5g? Look at Scitec - one scoop is only 20g!

55g proteins (2-scoop servings):
I feel that ProBlend-55 and ProComplex are both "identical" competitors- 55g per 2-scoop serving but ProBlend-55 uses a 90cc scoop and Pro Complex only uses a 70cc scoop!

Extreme comparisons:
If you compare Pro Complex with Protein Delite, one 70cc scoop of Pro Complex provides 27.5g of protein while one 70cc scoop of Protein Delite only provides 13g of protein! That is less than half the protein!


What the ****???

Nice research buddy. Well, there are a few reasons for these discrepancies. One is the amount of flavoring in each. Every company has their own flavoring system, therefore each product uses a different amount of flavoring. These flavoring systems include sweeteners such as aspartame and sucralose, as well as natural/artificial flavors (like cocoa for chocoalte flavored beverages). Then there's if the protein is instantized or not. Also, you have to take into account the fat and carb content of the product. Not only this, but the amount of protein per gram of protein source varies...For example, Whey Protein Concentrate can vary anywhere from 34-80% protein depending on quality!! Whoa!


You seem to be extremely perturbed the differences between Pro Complex and Pro Delite...well...let's take a look at the ingredient lists and the nutrition panels on each...




Pro Complex

Supplement Facts:
2.2 lbs Servings: 15
4.4 lbs Servings: 30
Available flavors: chocolate, strawberry, and vanilla.
Serving Size: 67g (2 scoops)
Amount Per Serving % Daily Value
Calories 260
Calories from Fat 20
Total Fat 2 g 3%*
Saturated Fat 1 g 5%*
Cholesterol 30 mg 10%*
Total Carbohydrate 4 g 1%*
Sugars 1 g
Protein 55 g 110%*
Vitamin A 2,500 IU 50%*
Vitamin C 60 mg 100%*
Vitamin D 200 IU 50%*
Vitamin E 30 IU 100%*
Riboflavin 0.85 mg 50%*
Niacin 10 mg 50%*
Vitamin B6 1 mg 50%*
Folic Acid 140 mcg 35%*
Vitamin B12 3 mcg 50%*
Biotin 150 mcg 50%*
Pantothenic Acid 5 mg 50%*
Calcium 175 mg 18%*
Chromium 120 mcg 100%*
Sodium 290 mg 12%*
Potassium 200 mg 6%*
Proprietary Amino Acid Blend 2g
Glutamine Peptides
L-leucine
L-Isoleucine
L-Valine
Aminogen 250 mg

Ingredients:
Pro Complex Multi-Protein Blend (Whey Protein Isolate [from Ion Exchange and Cross Flow Microfiltration], Ultrafiltered Whey Protein Concentrate, Egg Albumen, Hydrolyzed Whey Peptides), Cocoa, Natural & Artificial Flavor, Lecithin, Vitamin Blend (Ascorbic Acid, Chromium GTF Polynicotinate, d-alpha Tocopheryl Succinate [Natural Vitamin E], diCalcium Phosphate, Biotin, Vitamin A Palmitate, Niacinamide, d-Calcium Pantothenate, Cholecalciferol, Folic Acid, Pyridoxine Hydrochloride, Riboflavin, Cyanocobalamin), Acesulfame Potassium, Salt, Sucralose(Splenda Brand).

Suggested Use:
Mix two heaping scoops of Pro Complex with 12 - 14 oz. of your favorite beverage. Take 2-3 servings per day or use as recommended by a physician or licensed nutritionist.


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What's in it?
Supplement Facts
For Women
Serving Size: 1 scoop (20 g)
Servings per Container: 25
Amount Per Serving %DV
Calories 75
Calories from Fat 4
Total Fat 0.5 g 1%
Cholesterol 10 mg 3%
Total Carbohydrate 3.5 g < 2%
Sugar 1 g
Dietary fiber 1 g
Protein 13 g
Potassium 25 mg < 1%
Sodium 50 mg 2%
Aminogen 66 mg
Supplement Facts
For Men
Serving Size: 1.5 scoops (30 g)
Servings per Container: 16.6
Amount Per Serving %Daily
Value*
Calories 112
Calories from Fat 6
Total Fat 0.75 g 1%
Cholesterol 15 mg 5%
Total Carbohydrate 5 g < 2%
Sugar 1.5 g
Dietary fiber 1.5 g
Protein 19.5 g
Potassium 37.5mg < 1%
Sodium 75mg 3%
Aminogen 100 mg **

*Percentage daily values are based on a 2,000 calorie diet. Your daily values may be higher or lower depending on your calorie needs.

Directions: Mix 1-1.5 scoops (20-30 g) with 8-10 oz. of skim milk or water. Drink 1-2 servings per day, after your workout and/or as an evening meal.

Ingredients: ProDeLite proprietary protein matrix (whey protein concentrate, calcium caseinate, milk protein concentrate), *flavor blend, aspartame†, Aminogen®. †PHENYLKETONURICS: Contains phenylalanine


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Well, for these two products I'll tell you one thing right off the bat. The serving sizes are diferent. One scoop of protein delite is a mere 20 grams! Whereas one scoop of Optimum is 33.5 grams....


Another thing for consideration in these two products is that scitec relies solely on concentrates, which as i said above can vary in protein percentages.....


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Hope this helps. If you have any more questions, ask.


~Sheesh

 

[Dwight Schrute]

Could be a lot of things. I know Pro-Complex includes a nice vitamin profile, along w/ Aminogen. It could be the different amounts of protein types. How much fat is in each? How much carbs are in each? There are a million variations.

 

[Sheesh]

Re: Re: Protein dosage discrepancies

Well, for these two products I'll tell you one thing right off the bat. The serving sizes are diferent. One scoop of protein delite is a mere 20 grams! Whereas one scoop of Optimum is 33.5 grams....

I decided to put them head to head when scoop size was regulated.


Well, if one scoop of protein delite is 20 grams and one of pro complex is 33.5, let's get the factor of multiplication...

33.5/20 = 1.675


We've established that Pro Complex has 22.5 grams of protein per scoop. Now let's find the amount of Protein Delite


13 * 1..675 = 21.775 grams


So the protein is very similar per amount of the powder. The differences are probably in instantization, and the density of the powder. I've never had protein delite, so i can't really make the comparison. But it sounds like something they market towards women, so it's probably alot fluffier and less densely packed than pro complex, which is instantized and pretty dense....

 

[Anabolic]

Hey, thanks for the input guys.

Sheesh, I think you got a few numbers wrong. One scoop of Pro Complex is 35g not 33.5g and it has 27.5g of protein i/o 22.5g.

By the way, what are Karma points and how do they work?

 

[John Benz]

The ingedient profile is lots more important than the amount of protein per scoop. I don't like Optimum Pro Complex because I take too many vitamins separately to pay that much extra for whey protein with a multi thrown in. Optimum Complete Protein Diet is a blend of casein, whey and egg proteins, and is less expensive. Protein Delite has pieces of dried fruit that look like colored cardboard thrown in. I wouldn't drink that if I got it for free. ISS ProM3 is mostly whey concentrate with a little milk and egg thrown in (just enough to list them) and is very expensive. Jay Cutler really does use this as he says, but remember he eats 10-12 times a day, and claims most of his protein comes from whole food, so he just uses it for post-workout etc.

Biotest Grow is expensive, but excellent, and I also like a few not on your list, Beverly Ulta-Size & Muscle Provider, and Pro Lab Lean Mass Matrix. Also Met-Rx APM 60.

Last, but not least, watch the language. Peace.

 

[Sheesh]

Hey, thanks for the input guys.

Sheesh, I think you got a few numbers wrong. One scoop of Pro Complex is 35g not 33.5g and it has 27.5g of protein i/o 22.5g.

By the way, what are Karma points and how do they work?

My numbers are taken directly off bodybuilding.com.


As for Karma points, you get one point with each post you make. If someone else likes your post, then they can give you a karma point for your post. They can also take a karma point away if your post sucked. To give karma, go the post you like, and click the thing at the bottom right of that person's post labelled Karma. If you want to give a point, check off agree and type a msg like 'good post', if you want to take one away, choose disagree with a msg like 'you're the gayest anabolic minder ever'

 

[Anabolic]

LOL. Thanks for the Karma point then Sheesh.

What's this, you get a bottle of PH gel for 5 Karma points and a bottle of PH for 10 Karma points???

 

[Sheesh]

LOL. Thanks for the Karma point then Sheesh.

What's this, you get a bottle of PH gel for 5 Karma points and a bottle of PH for 10 Karma points???

The store isn't working yet, so those numbers are bogus....