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    Hi all, has anybody experienced lethargy while using testopro? I've been taking 6 caps a day (3 am 3 pm) for a little over a month and my energy levels are in the toilet. The only other supps im taking are creatine and cissus but ive been taking those both for awhile with no negative issues. Im eating a surplus of calories and getting plenty of rest so the only thing i can think of is that it's the testopro. I still have another months worth but im going to cease taking it if this doesnt let up. Thanks

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    Quote Originally Posted by ryan6f7 View Post
    Hi all, has anybody experienced lethargy while using testopro? I've been taking 6 caps a day (3 am 3 pm) for a little over a month and my energy levels are in the toilet. The only other supps im taking are creatine and cissus but ive been taking those both for awhile with no negative issues. Im eating a surplus of calories and getting plenty of rest so the only thing i can think of is that it's the testopro. I still have another months worth but im going to cease taking it if this doesnt let up. Thanks
    Have not heard of this problem. Why are you taking 6 caps a day?
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    Have you tried reducing your current dose of six, to the recommended dose of four capsules per day (2 AM/2 PM)? If not, that would be a good starting point.
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    I experience lethergy while taking Testopro also. I beleive it lowers blood glucose levels causing lethergy. Fenugreek is used by diabetics to control blood sugar levels so this makes sense. I currenlty take it late in the evening only when lethergy is welcomed. The rest of the day I use either DTH or I am currently experimenting with Formadrol XT.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BBB View Post
    I experience lethergy while taking Testopro also. I beleive it lowers blood glucose levels causing lethergy. Fenugreek is used by diabetics to control blood sugar levels so this makes sense. I currenlty take it late in the evening only when lethergy is welcomed. The rest of the day I use either DTH or I am currently experimenting with Formadrol XT.
    interesting-but i have ran testopro 3 different times and at 6 caps, never had any lethargy whatsoever. actually endurance and energy always seemed increased-another case of how products effect people differently. glad to see you recognized how it effects you and put it to use as helping with sleep-for me it makes me energized.
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    I'm with bigt, i've ran this product multiple times and didn't have any problems with lethargy. Why are you taking six caps???? i weigh 240lbs and have been getting great results at the regular dose of 4 capsules.
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    Im 6'7" and 320 lbs 30 years old and ive usually taken higher doses of natural test boosters but never had sides like this. I just stopped taking it for a few days, might try the recomended dose. I also just got in three bottles of Pink Magic which i was gonna run solo after the testopro but i might just start now. Im not getting much from the testopro, libido is the same, strength is up a little but nothing noteworthy and the increase in aggression is really just in the form of irratibility for me. Ive read good things though it seems to work well for most.
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    Everyone responds to things differently. Testopro works great for me and others, sorry to hear that you weren't able to get the results you wanted from it.
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    I would recommend despite your size, running at the recommended dose and seeing how that foes. If that doesnt treat you well you may wanna try Stoked. Im running both Stoked and Testopro and feel no lethargy. Sorry to here its not sitting well with you.

    Do you take Testopro with meals or on an empty stomach?
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    Yah you never know with herbals, Lethargy is the last thing I get and my libido goes fuggin nuts, like and 18 year old or me in my mid thirties.
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    Thanks for the replys, yes i took it with meals. 3 before breakfast and 3 before dinner, about 10 hours apart. I will try 2 and 2 and see how it goes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ryan6f7 View Post
    Thanks for the replys, yes i took it with meals. 3 before breakfast and 3 before dinner, about 10 hours apart. I will try 2 and 2 and see how it goes.
    Let us know if that does not work then something in it does not agree with you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ryan6f7 View Post
    Im 6'7" and 320 lbs 30 years old and ive usually taken higher doses of natural test boosters but never had sides like this. I just stopped taking it for a few days, might try the recomended dose. I also just got in three bottles of Pink Magic which i was gonna run solo after the testopro but i might just start now. Im not getting much from the testopro, libido is the same, strength is up a little but nothing noteworthy and the increase in aggression is really just in the form of irratibility for me. Ive read good things though it seems to work well for most.
    I have no experience to base this on but Pink Magic just sounds completely bogus to me. I will be looking for unsponsered threads before spending before any money on this supp.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BBB View Post
    I have no experience to base this on but Pink Magic just sounds completely bogus to me. I will be looking for unsponsered threads before spending before any money on this supp.
    I used PM on my contest prep and it is a remarkable nutrient repartitioner but that can be Chaos on a prep with low carbs. Then out of the blue I experience these crazy increases in strength. Then not as much the next week as I was pretty exhausted. I haven't really nailed it down but I figure it will work very well on a above maintenance calorie intake. I don't think you will gain tons of mass on it unless you're in a pretty serious surplus but it will be very good for recomp. I am thinking I will gain a few lbs and lose a couple pounds of fat. We'll see if I'm right. I do believe the strength increases will be more consistant. I would not want to run this again on low carbs. I got it for a very low price so it will be a good deal for me.
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    Pink Magic may or may not be bogus, but the only bad things ive heard about it are from people that have not used it. Im not going to do a full blown log as i just dont have time but i im a almost a week in on pink magic and i will try to post a report after my 6 week run. I stopped the testopro and im already feeling back to normal, energy is up and mood is up and the irratibility has gone away.
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    There are only a handful of reps who's opinion I value, DreamWeaver you are one of them. So I will probably give PM a try base on your input. I also put a lot of value in Bigt's opinion. IMO both of you are straight shooters.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BBB View Post
    There are only a handful of reps who's opinion I value, DreamWeaver you are one of them. So I will probably give PM a try base on your input. I also put a lot of value in Bigt's opinion. IMO both of you are straight shooters.
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    Quote Originally Posted by thebigt View Post
    interesting-but i have ran testopro 3 different times and at 6 caps, never had any lethargy whatsoever. actually endurance and energy always seemed increased-another case of how products effect people differently. glad to see you recognized how it effects you and put it to use as helping with sleep-for me it makes me energized.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BBB View Post
    There are only a handful of reps who's opinion I value, DreamWeaver you are one of them. So I will probably give PM a try base on your input. I also put a lot of value in Bigt's opinion. IMO both of you are straight shooters.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pembroke3355 View Post
    DW tells it like it is for sure.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DreamWeaver View Post
    Thanks, the truth is easier to remember and I'm getting old ...
    I am in the same boat my friend.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pembroke3355 View Post
    DW tells it like it is for sure.
    Def a man whose word you can count on.

    I tried Pink Magic solo during the beta run. Wasnt too blown away. Leaned up nicely, vascularity did improve and so did recovery. It did work for me but i sadly did not get the same gains as DW and others, but remember everyone reacts differently to a supp and sometimes i react far better the second and third time i run a supplement. They did improve the formula so i would look at the new logs to see how it continues to treat others. I would personally run Pink Magic again with the testopro, HGHup and Life Support. Stoked would keep anything from aromatising and you can run Prime and glycobol after to keep the gains going strong.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GoHardOrGoHme View Post
    Def a man whose word you can count on.

    I tried Pink Magic solo during the beta run. Wasnt too blown away. Leaned up nicely, vascularity did improve and so did recovery. It did work for me but i sadly did not get the same gains as DW and others, but remember everyone reacts differently to a supp and sometimes i react far better the second and third time i run a supplement. They did improve the formula so i would look at the new logs to see how it continues to treat others. I would personally run Pink Magic again with the testopro, HGHup and Life Support. Stoked would keep anything from aromatising and you can run Prime and glycobol after to keep the gains going strong.
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    Quote Originally Posted by punthra View Post
    I'm with bigt, i've ran this product multiple times and didn't have any problems with lethargy. Why are you taking six caps???? i weigh 240lbs and have been getting great results at the regular dose of 4 capsules.
    ill let you all know how i feel runnin 8 caps EOD with 4 caps perform ED.

    see how it feels, because sometimes my libido dies off from products with i3c after 3 weeks, so im going to try and offset that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by crazyfool405 View Post
    ill let you all know how i feel runnin 8 caps EOD with 4 caps perform ED.

    see how it feels, because sometimes my libido dies off from products with i3c after 3 weeks, so im going to try and offset that.
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    I have also been feeling lethargic. I purchased testopro about a week ago been taking that with novedex xt. I was thinking about adding in dhea. Im only 27 so i know dhea wouldnt very beneficial, but would dhea help with lethargy? I was thinking about 50-100mgs a day. thanks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jcr1 View Post
    I have also been feeling lethargic. I purchased testopro about a week ago been taking that with novedex xt. I was thinking about adding in dhea. Im only 27 so i know dhea wouldnt very beneficial, but would dhea help with lethargy? I was thinking about 50-100mgs a day. thanks.
    I have heard of people becoming lethargic on novedex more so then testopro. Novedex is a strong anti-aromatase. Testopro does have an anti-aromatase agent, I3C. Again i have heard Novedex is a very potent anti-aromatase which in turn may cause lethargy.

    Try this, run each solo and see if you are getting lethargic b/c of the potentiating effects of both or if one maybe causing the lethargy more so then the other.

    I do recommend Stoked as if you want to control/negate the effects of estrogen while on Testopro or another testbooster. I have yet to use Novedex and am not very interested in it. Currently using both Testopro and Stoked and liek stated before experiencing no lethargy.

    I do not think adding DHEA would help. But i have no experience with it so maybe someone who has tried DHEA can chime in.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GoHardOrGoHme View Post
    I have heard of people becoming lethargic on novedex more so then testopro. Novedex is a strong anti-aromatase. Testopro does have an anti-aromatase agent, I3C. Again i have heard Novedex is a very potent anti-aromatase which in turn may cause lethargy.

    Try this, run each solo and see if you are getting lethargic b/c of the potentiating effects of both or if one maybe causing the lethargy more so then the other.

    I do recommend Stoked as if you want to control/negate the effects of estrogen while on Testopro or another testbooster. I have yet to use Novedex and am not very interested in it. Currently using both Testopro and Stoked and liek stated before experiencing no lethargy.

    I do not think adding DHEA would help. But i have no experience with it so maybe someone who has tried DHEA can chime in.
    I really dont wanna run them solo, i was stacking them for potency reasons. I can manage its only a 4 week supply. But it is kiking my ass. Last time felt like this i overtrained, just feel weak, little motivation to work out but i do, i just wanna go right back to bed after i wake up and eat in the am after 8-9 hrs of sleep. sucks but i manage, i just LOAD up on Jacked and sip on my bcaa's mixed with ASGT intra. Next time ill def. try stoked. I posted this in the Anabolic Innovations section so hopefully they will get back to me. thanks
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    Quote Originally Posted by jcr1 View Post
    I really dont wanna run them solo, i was stacking them for potency reasons. I can manage its only a 4 week supply. But it is kiking my ass. Last time felt like this i overtrained, just feel weak, little motivation to work out but i do, i just wanna go right back to bed after i wake up and eat in the am after 8-9 hrs of sleep. sucks but i manage, i just LOAD up on Jacked and sip on my bcaa's mixed with ASGT intra. Next time ill def. try stoked. I posted this in the Anabolic Innovations section so hopefully they will get back to me. thanks
    Well first off have you ever run either one of the solo in the past? Or have you run any of these in another stack in the past?

    I can understand you want to get the max benefits from a stack but its best to stack 2 supplements that will work synergistically rather then have one induce neg sides.

    I strongly recommend the testopro/stoked combo. But it would still be best figure out what is causing the lethargy and not just start blindly stacking, if that makes any sense.
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    You may want to read this about the main ingrediant in Pink Magic.

    Massularia Acuminata & Testosterone

    Back in 2008, a study was conducted on Massularia Acuminata (Massularia Accuminate = alternate spelling) and its effects on testosterone. The abstract was published online, and was reposted on several websites. In late 2009 and early 2010, I looked into it because Daniel Clough from At Large Nutrition was planning to add a test booster to his product line, and he had contacted me (long story) as the potential formulator for the product.

    I looked into dozens of testosterone boosting herbs, and this one was on my list. Anyway, I purchased the full study and read it…and quickly decided that this herb had exactly ZERO potential to be used in a testosterone boosting nutritional supplement. It simply doesn’t raise testosterone very high, and even then, it can’t do it without taking impossibly high megadoses.

    But, since most supplement buyers don’t purchase and read studies full studies (*when the abstract is available for free), the door was (and is) left open for it to be used in a nutritional supplement. I’ll tell you why it’s not going to work in a second, but first, I want you to check out the abstract:

    J Ethnopharmacol. 2008 Aug 13;118(3):508-13. Epub 2008 May 28. Androgenic potentials of aqueous extract of Massularia acuminata (G. Don) Bullock ex Hoyl. stem in male Wistar rats. Yakubu MT, Akanji MA, Oladiji AT, Adesokan AA. Medicinal Plants Research Laboratory, Department of Biochemistry, University of Ilorin, PMB 1515, Ilorin, Nigeria. tomuyak@yahoo.com Abstract The use of medicinal plants in the management of several ailments is gaining popularity nowadays. Massularia acuminata, one of such plants is commonly used as chewing sticks due to its antimicrobial activity and the aqueous extract of its stem as an aphrodisiac. Aphrodisiac activity in some plants may be due to androgen increasing property of its phytochemicals. AIM OF THE STUDY: This study therefore sought to assess the androgenic potentials of aqueous extract of Massularia acuminata stem in male rats for 21 days. MATERIALS AND METHODS: Male rats weighing between 220 and 260 g were completely randomized into four groups: A, B, C and D. Group A, the control received orally 1 ml of distilled water (the vehicle) while groups B, C and D were orally administered with 1 ml each corresponding to 250, 500 and 1000 mg/kg body weight of the plant extract, respectively for 21 days. Rats were sacrificed 24h after 1, 7 and 21 days. RESULTS: Compared with the control, extract administration at all the doses produced significant increase (P<0.05) in testes-body weight ratio, testicular protein, glycogen, sialic acid, cholesterol, testosterone, luteinizing and follicle stimulating hormone concentrations throughout the period of administration. Testicular gamma glutamyl transferase activities were decreased significantly (P<0.05) after the first dose and was sustained throughout the experimental period. CONCLUSION: The available evidence in this study suggests that aqueous extract of Massularia acuminata stem has androgenic potential which may stimulate male sexual maturation and enhance normal testicular function. PMID: 18602232 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

    So, at first blush, it looks vaguely promising, right? But check out the dose required…the lowest dose examined in the study was 250mgs/kg! On a kg/kg (simple comparative bodyweight) basis you’ll need about 25 grams of the stuff per day for a 100kg (220lb) bodybuilder, going off the absolute lowest dose. The highest dose would require 100g/day based on a 220lb (100kg)human bodyweight. However, this is based on human weight versus rodent weight. Now, if we convert the rodent dose to the human dose equivalent using the accepted body surface area formula, we find that we need just over 4 grams per day. And that’s at the lowest dose examined – we’d double that dose for the 500mgs/kg (over 8 grams per day) and double it again for the 1,000mgs/kg dose (over 16 grams per day). Currently, only two companies (that I know of) are using this herb in a product, and the dose per serving is (at best) on par with (but likely lower than) even the lowest dose examined in the study (250mgs/kg), translated to anything resembling a human equivalent. The daily suggested dose (all of the daily servings added up) contained in the proprietary blends currently being sold on the market still isn’t likely to be equivalent to the lowest dose in the study.

    In fact, even if the 250mg/kg equivalent dose were being used (and it isn’t), the testosterone boost provided would be 12%. But since nowhere near this dose is being used…have I made my point yet? The full study is much more interesting, because when we crunch the numbers, we find out that the rodents were being given an ungodly amount of this stuff, and barely getting any kind of decent test boost! So how much of a boost in serum testosterone did the herb provide? Well, we don’t know, because the study doesn’t tell us. Wait…what? Yeah, you read that correctly, the study doesn’t actually look at serum testosterone levels. So what about free testosterone levels? Well, the study doesn’t look at that either. The study examines intratesticular testosterone, LH, and a bunch of other stuff (testicular glycogen, testicular sailic acid concentration, etc…) but provides no hard data on how much of a real test boost the herb provided. So, as you can see, even if you were chocking down thousands of milligrams per day of the stuff, the rodent data suggests that after 21 days, your LH will get around a 60% boost (rodents in the control group were 1.27 and the 1,000mg/kg group ended up at 2.14) , and your testicular testosterone will go up about the same, roughly 60% (the rodents in the control group were 3.37, while rodents in the 1,000mg/kg group were 5.38 ng/dl). But of course, none of the companies using this ingredient are using anywhere near an effective dose. This is why I abandoned the idea of using this stuff in a product formulation, and focused my research and development elsewhere.

    But as the saying goes, there’s a sucker born every minute, and no shortage of supplement manufacturers looking to scam them.
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