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Got some questions I couldn't figure out with search like I normally do so before you bitch about me not searching I did I just didn't quite get an answer I understood.

I'm a skier and I'm focused on endurance. I am happy with my strength and muscle mass as I am now. I am not looking to get any bigger (6'2" 220) just leaner and with a higher endurance level. I know there is no substitute to a good diet and training routine but what is there for endurance supps? I'm open to anything.

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MAN Body Octane and MST Cordygen5, or MST Cre02 and Cordygen5. If you need a stim to add to it, add in RPM to either stack, and ****ing rip. You won't find better than those two.

Wait, are you cross country, or downhill/slalom? The above two for cross country; if it's got a more anaerobic component, like downhill, i'd suggest MAN Clout or Cre02, with C5.
 
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Nail on the head, right there poison.
 
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MAN Body Octane and MST Cordygen5, or MST Cre02 and Cordygen5. If you need a stim to add to it, add in RPM to either stack, and ****ing rip. You won't find better than those two.

Wait, are you cross country, or downhill/slalom? The above two for cross country; if it's got a more anaerobic component, like downhill, i'd suggest MAN Clout or Cre02, with C5.
Exactly. :bigok:
 
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solid solid products there especially all the man octane and such, great stuff,
but as far as bulk goes you're looking for beta alanine, citrulline malate, and creatine.... i wish Primordial performance had citrulline malate so i could get all three there, but i get my creatine and beta alanine there though....
 
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def hands down cordygen5 .. I felt that stuff kicking in day 2 .. I luv it :)
 
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solid solid products there especially all the man octane and such, great stuff,
but as far as bulk goes you're looking for beta alanine, citrulline malate, and creatine.... i wish Primordial performance had citrulline malate so i could get all three there, but i get my creatine and beta alanine there though....
Body Octane isn't more expensive than bulk. Someone did a nice chart a while back. But it has clinically proven amounts of citrulline malate, beta alanine, plus glucoronolactone, histidine, LCLT, it's flavored, and comes with a scoop in a pretty bottle. :D
 
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Anyone know of a study for creatine for endurance sports?
 
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Sure, but I can't link from my phone. It's been shown to NOT aid endurance cyclists and swimmers. Regardless, it is anti-catabolic, and if you want to maintain muscle mass while simultaneously burning insane calories, you should be taking it. And for sure, it'll help people who participate in sports that have anaerobic or explosive elements, like slalom skiing, judo, wrestling, track and field, gymnastics, volleyball, etc. I feel it's absolutely NOT recommended for sports where 1) weight is an issue, like cycling, and 2) ultra-endurance events, like marathon running (though a triathlete might want to try it, as they need to maintain some muscle mass).
 
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I figure as long as you're not constantly loading creatine, you will (most likely) burn it pretty quick in an endurance sport anyways.
 
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Hey Poison thanks. I'm a downhill skier but travel into the backcountry where there is no lift to the top. So part of it is aerobic and part of it is anaerobic. Does this change up your answer any? Thanks again for the quick response.

Can anyone point me in the right direction to understand what is in these supps and how they work in my body.
 
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Hey Poison thanks. I'm a downhill skier but travel into the backcountry where there is no lift to the top. So part of it is aerobic and part of it is anaerobic. Does this change up your answer any? Thanks again for the quick response.

Can anyone point me in the right direction to understand what is in these supps and how they work in my body.
Anything in the Cordygen line has our own Cordyceps strain which is easily the strongest and best in the market. This is not heresay...or I wouldnt state it as fact. That is the downright truth.

Cordyceps are basically a fungus that the chinese have been using for many many years for all kinds of health benefits. In this case, they aid in endurance a great deal, and they also boost your oxygen uptake by up to 40% more than normal. Anything by MST is also completely legal by any testing agency.
 
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Hey Poison thanks. I'm a downhill skier but travel into the backcountry where there is no lift to the top. So part of it is aerobic and part of it is anaerobic. Does this change up your answer any? Thanks again for the quick response.

Can anyone point me in the right direction to understand what is in these supps and how they work in my body.
Sure, no problem.

Ctdeuce covered cordyceps. He is not lying, mst's cordy is the best around. I've tried many other kinds, this is it. You'll be able to do more work with less effort, bottom line. It's like altitude training in a bottle. Interestingly, the Sherpa's have been using it for centuries.

Any of the options I posted will be awesome for you. I would lean toward either of the first two, as it sounds like the long slog to the top is a lot of aerobic activity. Body Octane has citrulline, which speeds removeal of ammonia and lactic acid from the muscle, and improves blood and oxygen flow. It's tremendous for aerobic stuff. It also has beta alanine, which increases muscle carnosine, which buffers lactic acid (iirc), and increases work capacity. It also has l-carnitine l-tartrate, which improves athletic performance and androgen receptor density, which is awesome. It also has some nootropic stuff. Basically with that and C5 you'll be a cardio machine. Both products are very safe and very effective.

Cre02 is one of mst's best products. It's enteric coated, so the 2gr creatine goes way farther than you might think, but it doesn't cause bloating like larger amounts. The jiogulan is incredible, it increases cardiac output and overall workout capacity, and rhodiola is just great stuff overall as an adaptogen, it increaases atp, it increases oxygen uptake, etc. I absolutely love it, and of course it has cordyceps in it as well. Add in c5 for more cardio effect.
 
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Cordygen5 for everyday or my favorite Cordygen Ultra VO2 for pre activity use.
 
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Cre02 is one of mst's best products. It's enteric coated, so the 2gr creatine goes way farther than you might think, but it doesn't cause bloating like larger amounts. The jiogulan is incredible, it increases cardiac output and overall workout capacity, and rhodiola is just great stuff overall as an adaptogen, it increaases atp, it increases oxygen uptake, etc. I absolutely love it, and of course it has cordyceps in it as well. Add in c5 for more cardio effect.
dont forget the poria cocos which helps shuttle all the goodness and can act as a nutrient repartitioner ;)

Cordygen5 for everyday or my favorite Cordygen Ultra VO2 for pre activity use.
awesome....just awesome :)
 
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For endurance,I have to go with Cordygen 5 also.Very impressive product in this area.
 
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MAN Body Octane and MST Cordygen5, or MST Cre02 and Cordygen5. If you need a stim to add to it, add in RPM to either stack, and ****ing rip. You won't find better than those two.

Wait, are you cross country, or downhill/slalom? The above two for cross country; if it's got a more anaerobic component, like downhill, i'd suggest MAN Clout or Cre02, with C5.
WHat he said!!!!!! Cordygen5 is the bomb and will give you some real endurance that you can feel!!! ( IT takes about 1 week to take affect but dam!!!
 
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try a free sample of purple wraath, you will love it for endurance and recovery :)
I am not going to knock your products I think they are good but come on Waraath for endurance???? I think you are tyring to push your porducts to hard I am sorry that is not a true statment in my option,.... Hey merph Make you a deal you try MST Cordygen5 30days and follow the direction to a T.... And if you do not see any results in endurance I will send you cash for what you payed for the cordy pay-pal.. No bsing nothing.. That is how sure I am it will work, not only do I use it but I know @ lest 4 NBA Players and Few Soccer playes too..... Controlled labs can match me on that so we can compair..... Just a friendly bet... lets do this!!!!

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I wouldn't know Purple Wraath, it's excellent for during or post-workout. Bcaa's can increase endurance as well. I wouldn't hesitate to use it after a hard ski day.
 
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I wouldn't know Purple Wraath, it's excellent for during or post-workout. Bcaa's can increase endurance as well. I wouldn't hesitate to use it after a hard ski day.
That I can agree with on that but how much BCAA is in it?

PurplEAA Complex™ 7000mg How much BCAA? You have giving real good Info Bro and I have learned alot from ur post...... Please do not take this as a shot @ u.. This guy was aksing for endurance product.. If this was the case then just go buy a big tub of BCAA or even Recon or RPG and call it a day....

But endurance Cordy will work much better my in my option...I have seen it work in the real wold with pro's saying dam I have been running sprints for 90min and it feels like the 1st min of training.. Love you P..... you the man love!
 
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honestly, islandbro, I like eaa's a lot more than bcaa's. I enjoy wraath much more than xtend. but I would primarily use them both for anti-catabolc purposes during a workout. If I were a competitive athlete, I would consider it for during the event, as it will enhance overall endurance. I just feel eaa's work better than bcaa's, nothing solid behind it, just personal experience. When someone asks for an endurance aid, eaa's would be a couple notches down on my list, below the products I mention first in here.
 

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Products that I have used to help me with my workouts on the track(collegiate sprinter) is beta-alanine and citrulline malate. Both have worked really well for me. Just my.02
 
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Check out Suma Root, it is one of the better endurance products I have ever used. The Cordygen is pretty solid as well but I have never given it along enough run to fairly compare it to anything else.
 
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Studies show that beta-alanine increases anaerobic endurance, while not effecting vo2 max... This is very unique compared to other endurance products which claim to increase vo2 max. Beta-alanine should be a staple for most people, and could be effectively stacked with other endurance products for multiple benefits.
 
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Studies show that beta-alanine increases anaerobic endurance, while not effecting vo2 max... This is very unique compared to other endurance products which claim to increase vo2 max. Beta-alanine should be a staple for most people, and could be effectively stacked with other endurance products for multiple benefits.
so what you're saying is that a product that could combine BA with something to increase v02 max would be optimal? Thats so odd that Citruvol Ultra has Beta Alanine, Citruline Malate, AND our Cordygen blend. :bigok:
 
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Telling you all... MST is the only way to go for endurance. Need longer term endurance? Cordy5.. need a huge boost immeditely, wanting to feel like your lungs are balloons? Cordy Vo2
 
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Telling you all... MST is the only way to go for endurance. Need longer term endurance? Cordy5.. need a huge boost immeditely, wanting to feel like your lungs are balloons? Cordy Vo2
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I wouldn't know Purple Wraath, it's excellent for during or post-workout. Bcaa's can increase endurance as well. I wouldn't hesitate to use it after a hard ski day.
yup, its amazing for endurance, it has an endurance blend. surprised more people dont know this :)
 
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Pretty damn good pumps from wraath, as well.
 

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