iFORCE MAXIMIZE V2 vs JACK3D USP LABS
- 06-27-2010, 12:15 PM
iFORCE MAXIMIZE V2 vs JACK3D USP LABS
Are they basically the same? Have you tried both? Please share your experiences.
I just finished one bottle of jack3d, which was my first pre workout supplement. I liked it but didn't get an increased pump. Maybe because my pump is naturally very good.
Supposedly you have to take maximize together with hemavol.
- 06-27-2010, 01:17 PM
I have taken both maximize and jack3d.. I like both products but I'm gonna go with mazimize. Both are similiar in pumps but i like the ingredient profile better on maximize. One scoop does me good for maximize also..
- 06-27-2010, 01:50 PM
Never took maximize so I can't talk about that. I can say however that jack3d has been a staple in my lineup from the first few times I took it. Have had stellar results ever since.
06-27-2010, 02:12 PM
I have used both and im gonna have to go with maximize! jack3d is great though..
06-27-2010, 02:18 PM
Hemavol and maximize would be wicked
06-27-2010, 02:21 PM
06-27-2010, 02:23 PM
Id ditch the two and go with pre surge unleashed. You want to talk about pumps and pumping any thing with GPLC in it at 4 grams will give you a pump.
06-27-2010, 03:01 PM
06-27-2010, 03:02 PM
And how much GPLC is there per scoop in the pre surge?
06-27-2010, 03:04 PM
hold a flex for ~30secs after a set, youll get more pumped than anything of the suggestions.
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06-27-2010, 03:06 PM
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06-27-2010, 08:51 PM
07-05-2010, 12:36 PM
07-05-2010, 04:18 PM
Thanks for the great reviews guys!
One of the reasons people love maximize v2 so much is due to the great value. You get 45 full workouts from one tub, not 15.
07-05-2010, 04:21 PM
Dj what's with your obsession over GPLC?
J Int Soc Sports Nutr. 2010 May 6;7:16.
Comparison of pre-workout nitric oxide stimulating dietary supplements on skeletal muscle oxygen saturation, blood nitrate/nitrite, lipid peroxidation, and upper body exercise performance in resistance trained men.
Bloomer RJ, Farney TM, Trepanowski JF, McCarthy CG, Canale RE, Schilling BK.
Cardiorespiratory/Metabolic Laboratory, Department of Health and Sport Sciences, The University of Memphis, Memphis, TN 38152, USA. firstname.lastname@example.org.
ABSTRACT: BACKGROUND: We compared Glycine Propionyl-L-Carnitine (GlycoCarn(R)) and three different pre-workout nutritional supplements on measures of skeletal muscle oxygen saturation (StO2), blood nitrate/nitrite (NOx), lactate (HLa), malondialdehyde (MDA), and exercise performance in men. METHODS: Using a randomized, double-blind, cross-over design, 19 resistance trained men performed tests of muscular power (bench press throws) and endurance (10 sets of bench press to muscular failure). A placebo, GlycoCarn(R), or one of three dietary supplements (SUPP1, SUPP2, SUPP3) was consumed prior to exercise, with one week separating conditions. Blood was collected before receiving the condition and immediately after exercise. StO2 was measured during the endurance test using Near Infrared Spectroscopy. Heart rate (HR) and rating of perceived exertion (RPE) were determined at the end of each set. RESULTS: A condition effect was noted for StO2 at the start of exercise (p = 0.02), with GlycoCarn(R) higher than SUPP2. A condition effect was also noted for StO2 at the end of exercise (p = 0.003), with SUPP1 lower than all other conditions. No statistically significant interaction, condition, or time effects were noted for NOx or MDA (p > 0.05); however, MDA decreased 13.7% with GlycoCarn(R) and increased in all other conditions. Only a time effect was noted for HLa (p < 0.0001), with values increasing from pre- to post-exercise. No effects were noted for HR, RPE, or for any exercise performance variables (p > 0.05); however, GlycoCarn(R) resulted in a statistically insignificant greater total volume load compared to the placebo (3.3%), SUPP1 (4.2%), SUPP2 (2.5%), and SUPP3 (4.6%). CONCLUSION: None of the products tested resulted in favorable changes in our chosen outcome measures, with the exception of GlycoCarn(R) in terms of higher StO2 at the start of exercise. GlycoCarn(R) resulted in a 13.7% decrease in MDA from pre- to post-exercise and yielded a non-significant but greater total volume load compared to all other conditions. These data indicate that 1) a single ingredient (GlycoCarn(R)) can provide similar practical benefit than finished products containing multiple ingredients, and 2) while we do not have data in relation to post-exercise recovery parameters, the tested products are ineffective in terms of increasing blood flow and improving acute upper body exercise performance.
07-05-2010, 04:38 PM
GPLC is a decent ingredient IMO, but I've always needed way more than 4.5g to get any legit effects.
07-05-2010, 04:40 PM
07-06-2010, 11:05 AM
07-06-2010, 12:24 PM
07-06-2010, 05:49 PM
07-06-2010, 06:35 PM
The reccomended dosing for Maximize v2 is 1 scoop. Some adrenal gland whackos can handle 2
07-06-2010, 06:37 PM
07-06-2010, 07:05 PM
07-06-2010, 07:16 PM
07-06-2010, 07:57 PM
Since I had no idea what was in Maximize I had to look at the label. Figured I'd post here for others unfamiliar as well:
Maximize V2 Supplement Facts
Serving Size: Scoop
Servings per Container: 45
Amount Per Serving % Daily Value
Total Fat 0 g 0%
Total Carbohydrates 4 g
Sugars 0 g
Niacin 25 mg 125%
Vitamin B12 (as Methylcobalamin) 500 mcg 8,333%
Potassium Phosphate 25 mg **
Sodium Phosphate 25 mg **
Magnesium Phosphate 25 mg **
Maximize V2 Dual Stage Ignition System: 6,840 mg **
Cognitive Blitz Matrix:
Tyrosine, Caffeine, 1,3-Dimethylpentylamine (Constituent of Geranium Oil), Methyl Synephrine
Critical Maxx Overload System:
Taurine, Creatine Monohydrate, Citrulline Malate, Beta Alanine, Agmatine Sulfate, Leucine, Isoleucine, Valine
07-06-2010, 08:15 PM
i'm currently one week strong on maximize v2. Tried sp250, 1mr, expand extreme, nox, plasmajet.. well plasmajet is slighly different. but Maximize v2 blows all out of the water. no jitters no cracked out feeling or the feeling you get when your insulin is low.. wait i forgot that im on the get up and go stack, on week in as well and can't complain. for maxv2 the focus the endurance and the PUMPS sick!!! to cool for school lol. haha.. wooooow i went to the gym about 4 hours ago and still feel great, bout to roll on the mats with some friends and end it with some live sparring.. MAXIMIZE V2 for the win!!! hahah.
07-07-2010, 09:46 AM
07-07-2010, 05:42 PM
07-07-2010, 06:07 PM
PSU does not have 4.5g of GPLC, period. It is a decent product with a good profile though. I do seem to crash pretty hard on it though. The theanine I guess. Other folks absolutely love it though. My vote goes to Maximize V2 over PSU or Jack3d.
07-07-2010, 06:19 PM
Dude, the only time I had anything that resembled a crash was when I was sleep deprived to begin with. In fact, I work out early in the AM and have had to take some melatonin when I take 2 scoops so I can fall asleep that night. Needless to say, I rarely take 2 scoops anymore. 1-1.5 is PLENTY for most and does not disrupt my sleep. Not really sure what keeps the crash from coming. I think it must be a synergy(normally hate this term but it fits) between the 1,3 and the Methyl Synephrine (not to be confused with plain ole synephrine right iForce guys?).
Bottom line is: Everyone of my friends who tries it, buys it and loves it. Period.
07-07-2010, 07:11 PM
07-07-2010, 07:47 PM
07-07-2010, 07:47 PM
Correct PSU cannot have 4.5g of gplc based upon the ~6g prop blend.
The above poster is correct. We found when a low dose of methyl synephrine was used in conjunction with 1,3 less users reported feelings of lethargy or "crashes".
07-07-2010, 08:28 PM
I used to be a jacked junky...but they changed the name, and the taste....it was still the best and i couldnt go back to caffeine based PREWO .....then i tried maximize at 2 scoops.....it blew me away....more energy then jacked, and way more of a pump..
I HATE the taste of Maximizev2 tho....... i seem to be the only one tho......
jacked pros..... less h2o needed
Maximize pros..... everything else
My current PREWO is Maximizev2, 2 caps pink magic, 1 g vitamin C, 5 g MONO, 300 mg alpha lipoic acid
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07-07-2010, 08:39 PM
Yeah Jacked just doesn't do anything for me anymore, even after months break. I know they say endlessly that they didnt change the formula, but it just aint like it used to be. Muscle Marinade is good stuff, enjoying it currently. Roll on the maximize V2, Its the stim junkies PWO of choice by the sounds!
07-08-2010, 10:11 AM
07-08-2010, 10:24 AM
Also, if anyone is interested, my signature below contains the URL to my Maximize V2 log.
07-08-2010, 10:32 AM
Yea, mxv2 lasts a long time even at 1.5 scoops/workout. If you workout 4x/week, 1 scoop lasts 11.25 weeks, 1.5 scoops lasts 7.5 weeks, and 2 scoops lasts 5.6 weeks.
Find a better deal! I dare you! Lol
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