ok, just to clear this up, and maybe I am reading into all of these posts wrong, but it almost seems like I am being made out to be a fatass lol, I know that I am less than 300 pounds now, and I am in, believe it or not, pretty good shape, I was doing P90X before my knee surgery in January...I am not just some fat out of shape person, I was a three letter athlete in high school and competed in D1 collegiate Track and Field (shot, disc, hammer and weight) until I blew my knee out for the second time. my strength is quite good in my opinion (400+ bench and 500+ deadlift, etc) I am just looking to get rid of the gut, I dont know with my body type if I will ever be ripped up to shreds, but I would like to be looking and feeling better by the end of the year......now as far as supplements and vitamins go, I am already taking green tea extract (600mg a day) and a multivitamin everyday, and also protein shakes after my workouts, along with a 5 meal a day diet that comes out to 1450 calories and is over 50% lean protein, and I get all my carbs from oats, natural applesauce and leafy greens. now that that is out there, what am I doing wrong or what else should I be doing to help me get down to where I was when I wrestled (230 or so) id just like to get lean as possible and then bulk. I am getting some CLA today