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  1. Best fat burning supplement to preserve muscle


    I'm looking to add some fuel to the fire and want some opinions on some fat loss products that won't cause a lot of muscle mass. I took mitotropin and felt that I lost A LOT of muscle. My arms literally went from big and muscular to effin small and scrawny, but cut. Now my arms are pretty small and stomach is small but very soft and flabby as well as my chest. i don't want to have my arms get any skinnier but want to lose the fat in my torso.


  2. lean xtreme, recreate, tt33, and take some BCAA's on any cut man helps a lot
    The difference between who you are and who you want to be is what you do.

  3. cool i'm taking letro right now so don't want to add anything hormonal. i have some gyno and fat in my chest so using letro for that and to reduce estrogen levels while cutting to lose the chest fat. recreate by usp labs right? i'm going to look into that
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  4. by tt33 i dont mean t3 i mean tt3 from iforce which contains 3,3 and 3,5. lean xtreme might be good too man prevent catabolism
    The difference between who you are and who you want to be is what you do.

  5. oep
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    Quote Originally Posted by omg View Post
    oep
    Second that ^^^ My personal preference would be a mild PH cycle with a thermogenic as this would be most effective for preserving lean gains, I'll be running AndroHard for this purpose on my next short cut pre-photoshoot

    Other than that, stacking OEP with a good quality testosterone booster with a proven ingredient such as: Testofen (e.g. Phyto-Testosterone, TestoPro, Free Test) or even a solid aromatase inhibitor such as Formestane LV or Stoked, would produce some great lean muscle mass preservation whilst burning fat. Get some decent BCAAs in there (such as IBCAA) and you've one heck of a stack.

    The rest is down to diet mate, keep your protein intake high (1.8-2.0g protein per kilogram of lean body mass) to help with muscle mass too.

  7. Quote Originally Posted by UKStrength View Post
    Second that ^^^ My personal preference would be a mild PH cycle with a thermogenic as this would be most effective for preserving lean gains, I'll be running AndroHard for this purpose on my next short cut pre-photoshoot

    Other than that, stacking OEP with a good quality testosterone booster with a proven ingredient such as: Testofen (e.g. Phyto-Testosterone, TestoPro, Free Test) or even a solid aromatase inhibitor such as Formestane LV or Stoked, would produce some great lean muscle mass preservation whilst burning fat. Get some decent BCAAs in there (such as IBCAA) and you've one heck of a stack.

    The rest is down to diet mate, keep your protein intake high (1.8-2.0g protein per kilogram of lean body mass) to help with muscle mass too.
    ANDROHARD is expensive (64 quid)over here UK Strength -i guess you have some perks being PP rep

  8. Bcaa and high protien and some cardio...eviscerate will help as well...oep is good with a test

  9. Quote Originally Posted by halfhuman View Post
    Bcaa and high protien and some cardio...eviscerate will help as well...oep is good with a test
    sorry guys but what is oep?

  10. I second the OEP. Its the best damn fat burner I've ever tried and I've tried a few!

  11. Quote Originally Posted by saggy321 View Post
    I second the OEP. Its the best damn fat burner I've ever tried and I've tried a few!
    what is it ? any link?

  12. Quote Originally Posted by jdhil90 View Post
    I'm looking to add some fuel to the fire and want some opinions on some fat loss products that won't cause a lot of muscle mass. I took mitotropin and felt that I lost A LOT of muscle. My arms literally went from big and muscular to effin small and scrawny, but cut. Now my arms are pretty small and stomach is small but very soft and flabby as well as my chest. i don't want to have my arms get any skinnier but want to lose the fat in my torso.
    OEP will destroy the Fat NO MATTER WHAT simply and easy WORKS

    but if you want loose fat and Preserve your muscle mass

    OEP+Alpha-T2+Prime=Success


    an important point supps HELP A LOT in the journey but really for your purpose make a good balanced diet and hard weight training
    The Best Diet for your purpose is Cyclic-Ketogenic Dieting (CKD) why?

    carbohydrate cycles to maintain muscular mass while losing fat mass.

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  13. OEP = OxyELITE Pro
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    Patience is all you need to supplement to lose fat and not lose muscle. Guys want to drop 12lbs in 5 weeks and wonder why half is muscle loss.
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    Patience is all you need to supplement to lose fat and not lose muscle. Guys want to drop 12lbs in 5 weeks and wonder why half is muscle loss.
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  16. Quote Originally Posted by EasyEJL View Post
    Patience is all you need to supplement to lose fat and not lose muscle. Guys want to drop 12lbs in 5 weeks and wonder why half is muscle loss.
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  17. I'm taking asgt, oxe, and alpha t2..I'm on my first week only but ill keep u posted on results...supposed to be a great stack for keeping mass and cutting...

  18. Well I've done a heck of a job maintaining my muscle while using oep+recreate in an extreme cal defecit so...take that for what its worth.

  19. T3, clenbuterol, ECA stack....

  20. Clenbuterol.
    Just inject.
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  21. Quote Originally Posted by HereToStudy View Post
    Clenbuterol.
    oh yeah i forgot about this, my first time using clen, was amazing,i used it toward the end of my PCT and strength went through the roof, i mean i gained as much on clen as i did from my tren/p plex cycle.
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  22. Quote Originally Posted by rochabp View Post
    oh yeah i forgot about this, my first time using clen, was amazing,i used it toward the end of my PCT and strength went through the roof, i mean i gained as much on clen as i did from my tren/p plex cycle.
    Thats impressive. I am actually planning on using it previous to my cycle as I am carrying a little more bf then I would like to go into a cycle with, then run it during or after my PCT as well. Should have me about where I want to be.
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  23. 100mcg of clen is a good dosing protocol.
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  25. Quote Originally Posted by nattydisaster View Post
    Sweet!
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  26. id say stay away form stims inorder to control cort, so maybe dermatherm target, and alpha-t2 would be great

  27. Would 11-oxo be a good addition to the Alpha t2, and OEP? Would probably need some sort of mild PCT though.

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  29. P-slin is on sale for 13 bucks. You can reduce your carb intake but make those carbs count, by directing them toward your muscles, thus giving you a weight loss edge. You cant beat that price for the edge you get and its and excellent pre-wo product. Anabolic pump is also a great product which is used before your meals each day for carb control as well. I know i sound like a rep, lol which im not, but i actually have not used AP in quite a while due to insuficient funds. I like these products because i hate cutting back on what i eat and, while i love stims, i dont like taking stims through out the day every day. I just like stims here and there for a pick me up.

  30. as far as otc fat loss supps go..i've had good success with stacking lipo 6x with lean xtreme. you can throw in a good natty test booster like recycle too to switch things up a bit. clen works..but i always loose muscle on it..but i see others having good success with it.

    must try OEP out.
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    Quote Originally Posted by corsaking View Post
    ANDROHARD is expensive (64 quid)over here UK Strength -i guess you have some perks being PP rep
    PM me for some discount mate

  32. TT-33 is a great option, it will preferentially target fat tissue and really spark your metabolic rate
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  33. Quote Originally Posted by brownchoclit View Post
    as far as otc fat loss supps go..i've had good success with stacking lipo 6x with lean xtreme. you can throw in a good natty test booster like recycle too to switch things up a bit. clen works..but i always loose muscle on it..but i see others having good success with it.

    must try OEP out.
    you shouldnt be losing muscle on clen. If your losing muscle its because your cals are too low or your clen is something else...

  34. I used Recreate from USP during my prep. I needed a low stim fat burner cuz I'm addicted to pre-WO's.

  35. Quote Originally Posted by furyhockey View Post
    I used Recreate from USP during my prep. I needed a low stim fat burner cuz I'm addicted to pre-WO's.
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  36. I am a big fan of Mitotropin-15 pounds in 30 days, and I actually kept getting stronger, lol.

    I am using the Cytolean right now, but nothing really to report yet.

    I did not really care for Recreate as much, and I have not tried OEP yet.

    I really liked 6oxo combined with E/C, that worked really well.

    Now that it is gone, I am going to put ATD in it's place with another Mitotropin cycle in a few months. That is just to lose that last little bit though.

  37. Quote Originally Posted by Test300 View Post
    I am a big fan of Mitotropin-15 pounds in 30 days, and I actually kept getting stronger, lol.

    I am using the Cytolean right now, but nothing really to report yet.

    I did not really care for Recreate as much, and I have not tried OEP yet.

    I really liked 6oxo combined with E/C, that worked really well.

    Now that it is gone, I am going to put ATD in it's place with another Mitotropin cycle in a few months. That is just to lose that last little bit though.
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  38. Quote Originally Posted by MAxximal View Post
    Try Alpha-T2 + OEP.....then you believe
    I really want to try that one out. I love the stuff in Mito that makes you feel high though, it was amazing really. I think it is PEA?

    Mito is cheaper than the AT2/OEP stack, but I could use OEP for like 2 months instead of Cyto V2, which doesn't really do anything energy wise for me.

    I only used Mito, no other caffeine or anything. Before that I limited the caffeine for seemingly months, maybe 100 mgs a day or less, maybe more, but nothing consistent, so I know it isn't my adrenals RE: Cyto not really doing anything.

  39. Quote Originally Posted by Frequency View Post
    you shouldnt be losing muscle on clen. If your losing muscle its because your cals are too low or your clen is something else...
    i've tried clen on numerous occasions...with lower than maintenece...eating at maintenence and the above maintenence...on all occasions i lost muscle along with fat. all other variables were kept as constant as possible. maybe it just doesnt work too great on me...i dunno. gone through tons of logs and faq's with regard to clen. so i am familiar with it. i've decided the only time i will try it again is if i am running a strong PH cycle. its liquid clen (green) from a popular research lab company..most buy their serm's from them too.
  

  
 

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