Primordial Performance Premax: Is it worth the price?
- 06-02-2010, 08:04 PM
Primordial Performance Premax: Is it worth the price?
Pretty straight forward, is premax worth the price? I have been wanting to try it but not sure if I should wait for a sale? This is the only article I found on it, refers to pomegranate and fertility, not sure if it justifies itself as a potent preworkout supplement. Let me know what you think.
Primordial Performance Weekly Science Article for Fitness Enthusiast
- 06-02-2010, 10:18 PM
I would just mix my own ingredients and would make sure to include any that were in premax that made it attractive to me.
- 06-02-2010, 10:22 PM
depends on your finances i supposeSerious Nutrition Solutions | Online Representative
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06-02-2010, 10:43 PM
hell no, not for 10 servings. but it is like the rolls royce of pre-workout supps. ingredient wise it is in a class by itself also. i love pp and all their products but price wise it's too too steep for me. but if you got that kinda bread, go for it, i would if i had a budget that would allow me to
06-02-2010, 10:54 PM
maybe not premax, but some like ibcaa are well worth it, yeah some are expensive but some are just right but i think they are all great quality
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06-02-2010, 11:11 PM
I picked some up a while back during a sale and it is the best I have used. During my low /no carb contest prep it was the only thing that could get me a pump.
Med Sci Sports Exerc. 2009 Nov 23. [Epub ahead of print]
Ellagitannin Consumption Improves Strength Recovery 2-3 Days after Eccentric Exercise.
PURPOSE:: Dietary supplementation with polyphenols, particularly ellagitannins, may attenuate the muscular damage experienced after eccentric exercise producing delayed onset muscle soreness (DOMS). The purpose of this study was to determine if ellagitannin supplementation from Wonderful variety pomegranate extract (POMx) improved recovery of skeletal muscle strength following eccentric exercise. METHODS:: Recreationally active males were randomized into a crossover design with either pomegranate extract (POMx) or placebo (PLA), each given over a period of nine days. To produce DOMS, subjects performed 2 sets of 20 maximal eccentric elbow flexion exercises with one arm. Maximal isometric elbow flexion strength and muscle soreness as well as serum measures of creatine kinase, myoglobin, interleukin-6, and c-reactive protein were made at baseline and 2, 24, 48, 72, and 96 h post-exercise. RESULTS:: With both treatments, strength was similarly reduced 2 h after exercise (i.e.; 72% of baseline) and recovery of strength was incomplete after 96 h (i.e.; 91% of baseline). However, strength was significantly higher in POMx compared to PLA at 48 h (85.4 +/- 2.5% and 78.3 +/- 2.6%; p= 0.01) and 72 h (88.9 +/- 2.0% and 84.0 +/- 2.0%; p= 0.009) post-exercise. Serum markers of inflammation and muscle damage did not provide insight regarding possible mechanisms. CONCLUSION:: Supplementation with ellagitannins from pomegranate extract significantly improves recovery of isometric strength 2-3 days following damaging eccentric exercise.
I'm currently working on a homemade pre-workout stack based around GPLC. However, the longer my days at work get the more the convenience of only having to use 1 scoop of something sounds really nice.
Glycine propionyl-L-carnitine produces enhanced anaerobic work capacity with reduced lactate accumulation in resistance trained males.
Jacobs PL, Goldstein ER, Blackburn W, Orem I, Hughes JJ.
Department of Exercise Science and Health Promotion, Florida Atlantic University, Davie, FL 33314, USA. email@example.com.
ABSTRACT: BACKGROUND: Recent research has indicated that short term administration of glycine propionyl-L-carnitine (GPLC) significantly elevates levels of nitric oxide metabolites at rest and in response to reactive hyperaemia. However, no scientific evidence exists that suggests such supplementation enhances exercise performance in healthy, trained individuals. The purpose of this study was to examine the effects of GPLC on the performance of repeated high intensity stationary cycle sprints with limited recovery periods in resistance trained male subjects. METHODS: In a double-blind, placebo-controlled, cross-over design, twenty-four male resistance trained subjects (25.2 +/- 3.6 years) participated in two test sessions separated by one week. Testing was performed 90 minutes following oral ingestion of either 4.5 grams GPLC or 4.5 grams cellulose (PL), in randomized order. The exercise testing protocol consisted of five 10-second Wingate cycle sprints separated by 1-minute active recovery periods. Peak (PP) and mean values (MP) of sprint power output and percent decrement of power (DEC) were determined per bout and standardized relative to body masss. Heart rate (HR) and blood lactate (LAC) were measured prior to, during and following the five sprint bouts. RESULTS: Significant main effects (p < 0.001) were observed for sprint bout order in values of PP, MP, DEC, and HR. There were significant main effects detected for condition in PP and MP (p < 0.05), with values across the five sprint bouts 2.6 - 15% greater with GPLC. Significant statistical interactions were detected between bout order and condition for both PP and MP (p < 0.05). There was a significant main effect of condition for LAC, LAC values 15.7% lower 4 min post-exercise with GPLC (p = 0.09) and with GPLC resulting in 16.2% less LAC at 14 min post-exercise (p < 0.05). CONCLUSION: These findings indicate that short-term oral supplementation of GPLC can enhance peak power production in resistance trained males with significantly less LAC accumulation.
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06-03-2010, 06:29 AM
my 2 cents:
Premax is worth it....I use one scoop pre-max + half scoop of assault..... Or one scoop pre-max + None caff rag for my day to day workout.. yes you are saying dam I will spend all the cash on 3 pre work out drinks.. i have bought 2 tubs of premax- 2 tubs of assault and 2 tubs rag... in the longrun it saves me cash because I can mix a combo or I can just go solo depends on how I feel and what rotuine I am doing that week... I just feel each one has it benefits....
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06-03-2010, 07:56 AM
If they would double the volume at the same price like they did with TCF-1, I'd be all over it.
06-03-2010, 08:27 AM
10 servings for $50?
I seriously do not understand why is there no "generic" brands of products like these. I mean, we can get generic versions of prescription drugs, vitamins and such. Shouldn't there be some company, maybe NutraPlanet, that can release an identical version, cut the price in half, and make up for the difference in a matter of a month. I am pretty sure that will bring in more profit than anything PP is paying in AM-advertising/forum. Heh, speaking of which, they do seem to have a lot of ads here, maybe...if they did...not waste..so much money...on advertising... they might actually afford to actually have a better price vs. amount pricing.
I just do not get why, this is especially apparent in bodybuilding supplements, that many are are so open to having companies walk over them.
Maybe I am just being a cheap ass, but I really wish there was more competition for these companies and their products.
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06-03-2010, 09:49 AM
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06-03-2010, 06:46 PM
Just like buying anything you get what you pay for.
06-03-2010, 07:24 PM
Agreed Quinc, you do get what you pay for. But Doesn't mean your always getting a fair deal mate.... Do we really want pre workouts to go down this path? Were this kind of dollar to serving ratio becomes acceptable?
06-03-2010, 07:59 PM
06-03-2010, 08:04 PM
06-03-2010, 08:06 PM
$5 a serving? No thanks, although i'm sure it's great stuff.
06-03-2010, 08:08 PM
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06-03-2010, 10:16 PM
Again i know peptopro isnt PP's product but i want to see the studies that place it above standard whey especially ones that justify the insane price. Also you dont always get what you pay for. That crap better slap on some serious muscle for 5 bucks a serving. Right now for 50 bucks you could buy some P-slin, Nutrapro, and some oats and actually have and awsome workout with great pumps all month and its guaranteed to pack on more mass for the money
06-03-2010, 10:31 PM
I bought primordial's creapure, ibcaa, beta-alanine, glycocarn, and vitaberry. I mix it up in some purified water then drink it on my way to the gym. I'm very pleased with my investment, my custom preworkout supplement is better than anything else I've tried.
06-03-2010, 10:39 PM
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06-04-2010, 01:55 AM
I can't afford to consistently spend 5$ a serving on just one sup. To be honest I probably get close to 5$ a day now, maybe not but there is some fluff room in there, maybe more like 3$ a day between everything, dont care to do the math, but if I made more money I would be on cycle after cycle of whatever is working at the time, along with the best of the best in each category.
It's all about how much you have to spend imo. Right now for a couple reasons I just buy whatever NP has a flash sale on for pre-wo, 1 because they sure seem to have flash sales before I even get close to running out, and 2 because I dont have tons of history with pre-wo so I am still trying everything...
I have like 6 months or more worth of pre-wo now before I've even finished up my first ever tub of stuff because of NP sales o.O
06-04-2010, 02:51 AM
06-04-2010, 05:20 AM
^First run-in with one of you guys, I like your style, I may consider it since I do have a surplus of tax payer dollars laying around (gotta love the army, technically I am 15% my own boss)
06-04-2010, 07:51 AM
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