Tachycardia linked to Chronic Stim use
- 05-22-2013, 09:42 PM
- 05-22-2013, 10:11 PM
As for the chronic effects on the heart, this can become an issue long term if you don't get it under control. The problem here is caffeine makes your heart work harder than it needs to. By increasing heart rate and blood pressure your heart can thicken, decreasing the atrial and ventricular volumes and lose its elasticity leading to further complications (called ventricular hypertrophy).
Bottom line, start decreasing now so you don't have to worry later!
05-22-2013, 11:34 PM
05-22-2013, 11:55 PM
05-23-2013, 12:29 AM
05-23-2013, 12:40 AM
Seriously though, his PR was in the upper 80s, and his doc put him on a non-select beta? I'm not dissing the doc (or your concurrence with that decision) but that is highly marginal IMO, unless there's something else in his medical history I'm not aware of. Just like Whacked, we're talking about a mildly elevated PR ( 90.) We aren't talking about hypertension or malignant tachycardia, right?
05-23-2013, 02:08 AM
Left ventricular function to date has been restored and size has reduced back to normal with coreg and my ace inhibitor.
I take 12.5mg twice a day and love it. I suffer no side effects what so ever, my blood sugar remains stable, my libido is fine as is my energy levels. I gain normal weight in the offseason and easily diet down to single digit bodyfat levels for shows.
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05-23-2013, 02:09 AM
05-23-2013, 02:11 AM
05-23-2013, 02:24 AM
I take 50mg twice a day .....and yes its "doctor prescribed". Despite the increases in dosage, it doesn't seem to lower me below 80's. he/we just kept increasing it since we figured eventually i could get to 60's or so. Never happened. I need to see where I am at when I'm not using anything except the androgel. I might be jacking up my heart rate due to using some PH and AAS lately that I hadn't used in like 7 years....
05-23-2013, 09:44 AM
My point is that caffeine gets a bad rap more times than not, so it seems people are generally scared of it without reason. That kind of irrational fear inevitably leads folks into making poor health choices, even when they have the best of intentions.
For example, chronic caffeine intake is shown to decrease circulating catecholamines, thus preventing diet-induced insulin resistance and hypertension. That's the exact benefit that you say your Coreg provides, so it seems you've just exchanged one for another. But which would do you better? First of all, caffeine is natural with a very long track record, unlike carvedilol which may be the next class-action drug withdrawn from the market for all anybody knows. Also, caffeine increases your respiratory function to promote reduction of apnea, but carvedilol tends to worsen lung congestion and possibly complicate breathing further (the beta nightmares don't help your sleep either.) Plus, caffeine has no long-term positive correlation with Stage IV Colorectal Cancer, but chronic use of beta blockers does unfortunately.
Now it sound like the Coreg is working great for you right now, so don't get me wrong because I'm mostly playing devils advocate, but maybe stims/caffeine should at least get a more fair shake without all this fear-based discriminatory bias I'm hearing here. There are 2 sides to every coin, and an honest doc or researcher will not fail to highlight them both.
05-23-2013, 12:04 PM
But the benefits of caffeine are definitely proven, it has a UV protectant effect they think as people who consume caffeine have a very significantly decreased chance of skin cancer. I write this while sipping my cup of coffee .
And how the heck are you doing Dr.D?!
05-23-2013, 12:59 PM
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06-09-2013, 06:34 PM
So I dropped caffeine. Resting HR dropped. Cardiologist says I'm not tachycardic and that it's stimulant related.
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06-11-2013, 02:13 AM
06-11-2013, 06:41 PM
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