Not a mix just a combo of single-compoun pills. So far, I'm planning Yohimbe 1111 and caffeine anhydrous at 200 mg. What else should I use? I prefer not to use ephedra. Also, anything CHEAP is good.
You should rethink that, ephedra as part of an ECA stack is very, very effective. If it's the variable dosage found in supplements that worries you you can always go with ephedrine which is still available in many different ways. BulkNutrition.com has some by Mega-Pro and SAN. Innexpensive and good dosages.Originally Posted by enash
Does anyone know were to get norephedrine? I heard it's a little milder with the sides.
what sides with ephedra? are you kidding?
It has been banned/discontinued by the FDA a little over 2 years ago. I do not know where you can get nor-e, HOWEVER, I do see random members selling NYC every so often in the 'swap' forumOriginally Posted by enash
Norephedrine, Yohim. HCL, Synthetic Guggulsterones, Evodiamine, Olive LEaf Extract, Caffeine, Vipocetine...... In the correct doages... it creates an unbelievable fat burning supplement. This is what I use for all cutting cycles... just a pain in the ass getting all the ingrediants.
Before my morning cardio, I like to load up on chocamine, tyrosine, alcar, green tea, and 10-15mg. Turns up the heat a bit.
At 10-15mg a serving of Y-HCL, I'd be a walking horn dog looking for anything in a skirtOriginally Posted by Jcc
Then again, I may puke at that dose
It was effectively kept in check by the sight of spandex on individuals bearing no right to wear it.
At any other given time, though, 20mg makes for some good wholesome fun.
Cool. Guess I'll just hunt around for the nor-e and check the swap meet. Thanks for the replies.
umm...doesn't nor-e cause brain bleeds? I thought thats why it was banned?
And ephedra is linked to heart attack and stroke. That's why it was banned. If you believe that I've got a nice bridge to sell ya'.
I take 12.5mg of Y-HCL twice a day with C when im not on EC, dosent really seem to affect me, i think im going to up the dose
i havent heard of norephedrine before. I have heard of norepinepherine though. Is that what you mean? Thats some strong ****.. another name for norepinephine is Levophed... or as some call it levophed-leave 'em dead
norephedrine is a different compound.
Norephedrine is similar to ephedrine (a cousin, if you will), with milder CNS side-effects. Norephedrine is an isomer of ephedrine. Great for weight loss as well
it was banned because it's easy to make meth from, anyone who says differently is trying to hide that fact (or doesnt know enough chem). norephedrine is a diff stereoisomer of phenylpropanolamine (ppa) that was found in otc allergy pills and was also used in the study that yale univ did showing heart palpitations in a small percentage of healthy people. there was a good write-up about the differences btw ppa and norephedrine by derek from syntrax posted around the time the ban took effect.Originally Posted by Jay Mc
I was under the impression that PPA and its negative effects had been linked to at least two ((1R,2S) and (1S,2R)-norephedrine) of the isomers. I was also under the impression the the 1S,2R isomer was the most potent and commonly used for weightloss. Its definately easy to cook meth from but its not much harder to cook it from psuedofed either. I feel like there was fairly compelling evidence to show that the 1S,2R and 1R,2S isomers definately caused widespread vasoconstriction and increased stroke volume which would clearly lead to an increase in blood pressure and increased risk for CVA. In fact, much more compelling than the ephedrine evidence where most increases in BP were transitory and could likely be explained by the combination w/caffeine and a well documented phenom caused by caffeine known as the pressor effect which subsides as the body becomes more tolerant of caffeine. I'm no expert by any means but I was much more convinced by the anti norephedrine arguments than by those contra ephedrine. At the end of the day its your body and not mine. I know I take some stupid stuff that is likely to f me up so I guess I shouldn't tell other people not to do the same
Meth is actually simpler to make from ephedrine in my opinion even if it is mixed with another chemical like guaffenusin it is still a three or four step process.