Milk thistle makes your liver 'pump'?
- 04-03-2010, 01:23 PM
Milk thistle makes your liver 'pump'?
Is it possible?
I just found an interesting link:
Did milk thistle do something to me? - WrongDiagnosis.com
In brief, people felt right rib/ right upper stomach slightly sore after taking milk thistle, some people got a feeling which is like eating too much, but the feeling only comes from right side. Some people think it's just mental. But seems that more than one person got this effect from more than one brand of milk thistle, and some of them didn't even believe this will happen.
why I post this? because it just match my feeling after taking milk thistle.... The feeling is a bit like flatulence, but there is no real gas and the location is on right upper stomach. Very mild, but enough to be felt.
I am not saying Milk thistle is bad, maybe it's also a sign that it works (?). I am just curious, have you guys also felt this?
- 04-03-2010, 01:57 PM
I take milk thistle regularly and have never felt any of those effects..it could be all mental not sure
04-03-2010, 02:09 PM
and in my imagination milk thistle should really give me no physical feeling like you experienced. so i doubt my mind will bring me this?
of course everyone react differently, some people even feel stomach pain for eating salad. I throw up when I took wheat grass juice.
maybe regularly is also a tip, once my body get used to it maybe I won't feel anything.
04-03-2010, 02:12 PM
04-04-2010, 12:45 PM
A lot of acne sufferers say that Milk Thistle clears up their skin for two weeks, but then theybreak out, possibly even worse. I kind of wonder if milk thistle makes the liver work harder, wearing it down after a while. Maby a stack of milk thistle and some liver nutrients could be a good idea?
04-04-2010, 01:00 PM
That being said apply that theory to milk thistle and liver aid supplements. You just pump it in there fast and in large doses, its really just gona waste and possibly overdo it.
The one thing I have learned irritates me about the supplement industry, which is why I am slowly thinking "some" regulation is beneficial, is the "more is better" shortcut mindset.
Hell I feel amazing on Drive/RPM, and right now I am using a bottle of Lean FX for my spring "get back in shape" sprint. And these products make me feel great all day, compared to a normal day without. That being said, I rarely dose as high as others. Yes all our bodies are different, but its like alcohol. Do you drink enough to enjoy it, and get a light buzz, or are you getting hammered? Side effects will show based on those levels.
Duno, just me and my own theories that work for me. But I can see it the liver suffering from certain ailments like this if its overloaded. And yes the body can go funky sometimes.
04-05-2010, 01:32 PM
Gentiana 'adjust' liver function in some way, so if you got a liver problem shouldn't be 'adjusted' like what it does, it makes things worse.
Again, scientific studies on milk thistle didn't say it can help cholestasis (which is how steriod damage liver). It seems to be able to increase bile secretion thus might 'wash out' bile salt, it also seems that it can protect liver cell membrane in some way, which are all good, but the effect on steriod users and different dosages are all unclear. Your point might be true: if milk thistle 'push' liver to secret more bile too hard, liver might be under another kind of pressure.....
The sad thing is, not many studies are really for steroid or PH users. There are tons of studies for alchoholic livers, acetaminophan livers, CCl4 toxified livers, even mushrooms toxified livers though. So we can only search all papers, looking for all possible beneficial liver supports, and swallow them all. Like NAC, studies only approved it can neutralise acetaminophan toxicity, also liver need to process it for using it, but people take it anyway. TUDCA can be used to cure steriod caused cholestasis, but don't know how well it can decrease liver pressure before it happens.
Everyone here knows that we need to protect our liver. But how? No one here can be sure that 'use this this and that, you will be fine'. People here can only tell you: 'I feel better after taking this', but they can't tell you if it is really better for your liver in long term.... We are all modern Shen Nyon Shi (in Chinese myth, the guy who tasted every herb to find out its effect).
05-03-2010, 09:09 PM
05-03-2010, 10:18 PM
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05-06-2010, 07:17 PM
05-06-2010, 10:28 PM
i was taking like 3-6 grams for 2 months and i felt no such thing
The difference between who you are and who you want to be is what you do.
05-07-2010, 02:04 AM
Right side/ Upper stomach area is where your gallbladder is located. It might have been that the milk thistle stimulated your gallbladder to contract and release bile.
05-07-2010, 01:09 PM
ive taken this before and that has never happened to me...
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05-07-2010, 10:54 PM
Same, I started taking milk thistle (due to some polyps in my gall bladder - hopefully just cholesterol which can get flushed out with improved diet).
Haven't noticed any negative side effects. It's actually made my #2s more normal.
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