Diesel test anti-e an prostate support?

[sub001]

I found a thread with somewhat of the information I am looking for but now I can't remember the exact words I searched to find it so I'm posting.

I am considering taking diesel test pro and someone recommended taking an anti-estrogen and a prostate health supplement as well. Is this necessary? I don't mind spending the extra cash to benefit the gains if it's worth it.

So far I've seen 6-oxo and formestane mentioned a lot. Any suggestions on anti-e's that aren't all marketing hype and some prostate health support?

 

[BurghHardcore]

I don't see why you would need any prostate support while on DTP. It might be of benefit to throw in some Saw Palmetto to help with any shedding issues that may occur though. It's not a must to throw an AI in the mix as well. It's no different than throwing in an AI with any other test booster IMO. Some people like to stack like that, others may not. It wouldn't hurt if that's what you're asking...but certainly not needed.

 

[liftin4fun]

I don't see how it is needed...

 

[sub001]

Some people reported prostate swelling from the extra testosterone, or so they claim. So just to be safe, that's why I'm asking. And also it was just mentioned that your estrogen might go up for whatever reason so to have an anti-e to be safe. Some people are using anti-e's stand alone so I guess it can't hurt right? I just don't want to be peeing every 20 minutes. It has dhea in it which a study showed that it did nothing, and then another study saying it does increase test.

 

[BurghHardcore]

DHEA can convert directly to testosterone...yes. But it is also converted to a few other things as well. How much of it actually converts to test varies from person to person I'd imagine. Testosterone can aromatize...so with any test booster, not just DTP, with more test would probably equate to more aromatization. But not to a degree that I would be worried about at all. DPT also claims on the product page to lower the bad estrogen in your body. Like I said...if you're nervous as hell then run the AI, it won't hurt you. I would recommend Formestane. But it's not necessary.

 

[sub001]

I have a source for basically 30% off typical market price, so I'll just pick all that up. Usually you get even more discount with cash, so I will be on the overworried side and get the formestane and whatever prostate health supp they have in stock. It should be really cheap so I might as well.

 

[thebigt]

I have a source for basically 30% off typical market price, so I'll just pick all that up. Usually you get even more discount with cash, so I will be on the overworried side and get the formestane and whatever prostate health supp they have in stock. It should be really cheap so I might as well.

i think on most items you would save even more than 30% off msrp by shopping at nutraplanet.:shhh:

 

[sub001]

i think on most items you would save even more than 30% off msrp by shopping at nutraplanet.:shhh:

Nutraplanet is better than most, but the place I go is even cheaper .

On a rare occasion bb.com is cheaper but for most of the stuff I get I can go get it in person, no shipping, and pay cash and get it cheap!

Edit: I checked nutraplanet, everything is a LOT more expensive than what I am going to pay.

 

[thebigt]

Nutraplanet is better than most, but the place I go is even cheaper .

On a rare occasion bb.com is cheaper but for most of the stuff I get I can go get it in person, no shipping, and pay cash and get it cheap!

Edit: I checked nutraplanet, everything is a LOT more expensive than what I am going to pay.

then go with dtp/form. guess what-the form will reduce dht, thus eliminating the need for prostate support.:dunno:

 

[sub001]

then go with dtp/form. guess what-the form will reduce dht, thus eliminating the need for prostate support.:dunno:

Gotcha, so just the dtp and form. Could I gain anything by taking the prostate health stuff though? Like if an average person took it would it be beneficial just for daily health? I ask just because its only a couple dollars for a huge supply, and why not have a nice healthy prostate. I hate sounding like the "i will ask your opinion only to do what I was originally intending to do" guy, but if it's like a daily vitamin and I won't die without it, but it could help, then I might just go for it.

 

[thebigt]

Gotcha, so just the dtp and form. Could I gain anything by taking the prostate health stuff though? Like if an average person took it would it be beneficial just for daily health? I ask just because its only a couple dollars for a huge supply, and why not have a nice healthy prostate. I hate sounding like the "i will ask your opinion only to do what I was originally intending to do" guy, but if it's like a daily vitamin and I won't die without it, but it could help, then I might just go for it.

you might develop instantaneous heart failure and drop dead 10 minutes after taking- but other than that if you want to take it go ahead, lol.:439:
might i suggest you save it and use it after the dtp/form.

 

[sub001]

you might develop instantaneous heart failure and drop dead 10 minutes after taking- but other than that if you want to take it go ahead, lol.:439:
might i suggest you save it and use it after the dtp/form.

Oh well in that case it's no big deal. I got super-aids from taking creatine so that doesn't worry me, haha. I'll keep it on deck and see if I start noticing bad crap then take it. DTP claims it reduces dht and bad estrogen and all that anyways, plus the form should keep me good. Thanks a lot!

 

[thebigt]

Oh well in that case it's no big deal. I got super-aids from taking creatine so that doesn't worry me, haha. I'll keep it on deck and see if I start noticing bad crap then take it. DTP claims it reduces dht and bad estrogen and all that anyways, plus the form should keep me good. Thanks a lot!

no problem, couldn't sleep and form and dtp are both good stuff.

 

[BBB]

Prostate problems are the result of excess E2. Control E2 and you wont have any prostate or gyno problems. DTP contains DIM. DIM is Lowers E2 and regulates the E1 and E3, good stuff and all natural. I have used DTP and had my PSA tested at the end of the cycle. MY PSA is normally around 1 to 1.2 after my three kings cycle, which included DTP, it tested at 0.8. So I don't think you have any issues in this area. However, high levels of DHEA has been shown to cause free radicals it the liver. High levels of DHEA have been shown to cause liver tumors in mice. I have considered using Dermicrane on several occasions but have shyed away due to research such as this.

 

[sub001]

Prostate problems are the result of excess E2. Control E2 and you wont have any prostate or gyno problems. DTP contains DIM. DIM is Lowers E2 and regulates the E1 and E3, good stuff and all natural. I have used DTP and had my PSA tested at the end of the cycle. MY PSA is normally around 1 to 1.2 after my three kings cycle, which included DTP, it tested at 0.8. So I don't think you have any issues in this area. However, high levels of DHEA has been shown to cause free radicals it the liver. High levels of DHEA have been shown to cause liver tumors in mice. I have considered using Dermicrane on several occasions but have shyed away due to research such as this.

I routinely take liver support for the heck of it but I don't know if it covers tumors. Think I will be safe just taking 1 round of it? I've never taken anything other than protein before and I don't drink or do anything to stress my body in a negative way. I'd just do 4-6 weeks probably 2 days on 2 days off.

 

[thebigt]

I routinely take liver support for the heck of it but I don't know if it covers tumors. Think I will be safe just taking 1 round of it? I've never taken anything other than protein before and I don't drink or do anything to stress my body in a negative way. I'd just do 4-6 weeks probably 2 days on 2 days off.

you are fine, liver cancer [tumor] doesn't happen overnight! i bet the studies he is referring to concerning the mice was at a tremendously high level of dhea over an extended period of time. the liver has remarkable rejuvenation abilities and one cycle of dtp isn't going to give you tumors-hell i bet taking 4 tylenol every day for a month would be much worse on your liver than a cycle of dtp. geez, the over worrying about it is probably worse on your body than the actual cycle, lol.
relax and enjoy the gains.:dunno:

 

[sub001]

you are fine, liver cancer [tumor] doesn't happen overnight! i bet the studies he is referring to concerning the mice was at a tremendously high level of dhea over an extended period of time. the liver has remarkable rejuvenation abilities and one cycle of dtp isn't going to give you tumors-hell i bet taking 4 tylenol every day for a month would be much worse on your liver than a cycle of dtp. geez, the over worrying about it is probably worse on your body than the actual cycle, lol.
relax and enjoy the gains.:dunno:

Good reasoning, haha. The way I figure it: I don't drink, smoke, do anything to harm my body, I stay in good shape, and there are people out there WAY dumberer than me. People taking s-drol for like 10 cycles, people using real gear with no pct, obese people eating mcdonald's for breakfast and lunch. I have to be slightly ahead of the curve, right? Get jacked or die tanning.

 

[thebigt]

Good reasoning, haha. The way I figure it: I don't drink, smoke, do anything to harm my body, I stay in good shape, and there are people out there WAY dumberer than me. People taking s-drol for like 10 cycles, people using real gear with no pct, obese people eating mcdonald's for breakfast and lunch. I have to be slightly ahead of the curve, right? Get jacked or die tanning.

in my honest opinion-going drinking and then taking tylenol next day for a hangover is worse for your liver than a 6 week sd cycle. i tell everyone to avoid all acetaminophen products-your liver will thank you.

 

[BBB]

you are fine, liver cancer [tumor] doesn't happen overnight! i bet the studies he is referring to concerning the mice was at a tremendously high level of dhea over an extended period of time. the liver has remarkable rejuvenation abilities and one cycle of dtp isn't going to give you tumors-hell i bet taking 4 tylenol every day for a month would be much worse on your liver than a cycle of dtp. geez, the over worrying about it is probably worse on your body than the actual cycle, lol.
relax and enjoy the gains.:dunno:

Your right about the mice and ultra high doses of DHEA but there’s enough negative research on the use of high dose DHEA (50 mg or more) in humans that it makes me nervous. Dr. Houser’s recommends staying away for DHEA for a host of reasons. My personal Dr. who is also an endocrine specialist, says that you should only take enough DHEA to bring it into the physiological range and that doses above this level are detrimental to the body. Believe me I’m not an expert on the matter but I do know that it is difficult to control the shunting of DHEA.

 

[thebigt]

Your right about the mice and ultra high doses of DHEA but there’s enough negative research on the use of high dose DHEA (50 mg or more) in humans that it makes me nervous. Dr. Houser’s recommends staying away for DHEA for a host of reasons. My personal Dr. who is also an endocrine specialist, says that you should only take enough DHEA to bring it into the physiological range and that doses above this level are detrimental to the body. Believe me I’m not an expert on the matter but I do know that it is difficult to control the shunting of DHEA.

i would have a much more conservative attitude if he were talking a long term protocol but for a month long cycle i don't see much in the way of long term harm. like i said people probably do more damage worrying about bad effects than what the dhea itself causes.

 

[BBB]

I have been contemplating a Dermacrine/Formestane cycle (both topical). I get the nerve to try it some day.

 

[thebigt]

I have been contemplating a Dermacrine/Formestane cycle (both topical). I get the never to try it some day.

i think this is a very safe cycle, gains should be very easy to maintain and you will feel great while on it-not like a cycle of some of the harsher ph's.

 

[sub001]

IIRC the bottle says to do 6 weeks of dtp, and 4 weeks of form. I will start the DTP today and start the form in 2 weeks. Unless someone suggests using the formestane for after I'm done with the dtp, but it's not like it's real gear and I need pct to control stuff. Any input is appreciated. Thanks for all the help so far.