Natadrol vs Prime
- 04-29-2010, 02:40 PM
- 04-29-2010, 02:41 PM
- 04-29-2010, 02:47 PM
Take who seriously??? LOLWorking on living
04-29-2010, 03:02 PM
04-29-2010, 03:05 PM
Prime has worked great for me. Have not tried the Natadrol yet. Ive got one bottle but I know im goin to need to pick up 2 more to run a proper lenght cycle. Ill be using TNA and TRS from Primordial Performance for pct.
04-29-2010, 03:40 PM
Logs do not actually prove anything about a supplement, no matter how detailed they are or how many people are logging a particular product with positive results. I do statistical analysis on climate change and agriculture at my college, and read numerous studies on everything from the environment to world economic trends to personal health and medicine on a daily basis. From my readings on medicine, I can tell you that the placebo effect has ENORMOUS power in all regards to personal health.
To cite one specific example, in 1949 Dr. Stewart Wolf of the Cornell Medical Center investigated the placebo effect in pregnant women affected by nausea. He gave multiple women suffering from nausea a substance that he claimed was a "new, strong, very effective anti-sickness" drug, and in each woman the nausea had completely dissipated within 20 minutes of ingestion. Ironically, This miracle drug was actually Ipecac, a common vomit inducer. It is important to note that each woman had been given Ipecac on several occasions in the weeks prior (but disguised with a different flavor) and vomited on each occasion. In case you were wondering, the flavor of Ipecac has no impact on its effectiveness. (1)
Placebos have proven to hold many other powers, including curing depression and killing pain equally as well as a moderate dose of morphine. The power of placebos has also been correlated to factors such as their cost, hype, and form (ex. sugar water injections are more effective than sugar pills).
So how do we know what really works? Not logs, no sir. Double-blind studies testing a product directly against a placebo of the same form in a highly controlled setting is the only real way to know what works and what doesn't. Unfortunately, 99% of the supplements out there aren't backed by studies at all. The ones that are include whey protein, creatine monohydrate, beta alanine, GPLC, and a few others.
To conclude, you're all wrong. We don't really know if natadrol or prime are placebos or the real deal. We may see increased strength, size, muscle density, etc. while taking them, but the power of the mind to create a reality out of a forgery cannot be overestimated. Just some food for thought.
(1) Wolf S, "Effects of Suggestion and Conditioning on the Action of Chemical Agents in Human Subjects: The Pharmacology of Placebos", Journal of Clinical Investigation 1950 Jan; 29(1):100-09.
04-29-2010, 04:32 PM
04-29-2010, 04:47 PM
Dear slim charles,
I appreciate the surprise correspondence, even in the form of neg reps. I particularly enjoyed how you elucidate yourself; in fact, I'd like everyone else here to enjoy your concise verbiage:
U mad you 35 and still small?
Never before has so much been stated in so few words. Amazing. To answer your question, no, I am not mad I am still small. You see, I'm not a bodybuilder, or even a fitness freak. I have far more specific goals; I train to enable my judo. Being heavy for my slender build, it isn't at all in my best interest to gain weight. My goal is to get as strong as possible while remaining as light as possible. I can dominate in the under 185lb range, but over 200lbs is tough for me.
I hope that answers your question. I'd love to correspond more at your leisure, however do not expect a return neg rep. That's for pussies.
04-29-2010, 05:11 PM
I would like to see clinical data on the ingredients in Prime and Natadrol relating to muscle building. That's right there are none. Natadrol has a bogus study released done of cancer cell lines in a petri dish, which is a far cry from what would actually happen inside the human body.
04-29-2010, 05:19 PM
lol, the only LG product I've used is their protein.
What's your favorite supplement, slim?
04-29-2010, 05:35 PM
This person is sounding a lot like someone from the 'other' forum. Perhaps a banned member from that 'other' forum and now here to stir as you did there. Hey I might be wrong but maybe I'm right.
04-29-2010, 05:39 PM
I wouldn't bet against you. I'd bet he's a shill for another company, as well. There's been an influx of these lately, weird.
04-29-2010, 05:44 PM
04-29-2010, 05:48 PM
Ha, well, the mods here are not shy with the ban stick. Are those black helicopters I hear?
04-29-2010, 06:21 PM
hey Poison he dissed me as much as you... sounds like our old Iranian friend!!! LOL All I know is when I am on Nata, I tone up and gain strength, same with Prime. When I am Not on them, right afterwords, The increases stop as do the toning. In fact, it usually goes the opposite direction, and all this with NO CHANGE in diet and exercise. For a non scientist no brain having gym rat that likes big guns and my hot wife... that's good enough for me!
Working on living
04-29-2010, 06:42 PM
My favorite supplement include BCAA's( xtend, recoverpro, IBCAA), creatine (any creapure), fish oil (carlson's very finest), vitamin D3 5kiu, glutamine (omega sports), Taurine (nimbus nutrition), PP Green Tea, 200mg caffeine caps. I also like forskolin and TTA for cutting.
I don't buy into any of these bs products with no research behind them. Everything I use has been proven to work in double blind studies, except maybe the glutamine.
I have no idea what people are talking about me being banned, or Iranian. I barely post here. Craig, you seem to think anyone that anyone who bashes LG is the same person. Unfortunately, the only board where LG is taken seriously is here.
04-29-2010, 06:54 PM
You're gonna need to be more specific: how is LG protein sub-par?
04-29-2010, 07:11 PM
No, what I am saying is what you say and how you say it is familiar.
Enough of this 'other' forum troll guys. Just ignore him.
Slim, take this somewhere else and don't ruin this thread please. Opinion is fine, but it's how you say it that's the problem.
04-29-2010, 07:20 PM
04-29-2010, 07:21 PM
01-21-2010 | 01:01 PM
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What the hell LG? Still nothing.
This was posted by you in a natadrol thread slim, so did you ever receive your natadrol??
So what is it? Did you not like naradrol? Or did you never order it and just wanted to make a scene ?
Strange.... Also you selling t911?? Why not try it and enjoy the libido gains
04-29-2010, 07:25 PM
04-29-2010, 07:41 PM
04-29-2010, 07:42 PM
04-29-2010, 07:52 PM
Verrry interesting. Pass the popcorn.
"I am NOT an alcoholic. Alcoholics have a drinking problem. I ain't got no problem drinking!!"
-My Best Friend
04-29-2010, 08:07 PM
let's see if i could say this right; with prime i experienced somewhat of a hardening effect and strength gains whereas with natadrol i had strength gains but without the hardening effect it was more like volumized-vascularity sort of and i experienced more frequent erections with the natadrol than with prime but with prime the strength gains was a little more but it didn't give the erections that came with the natadrol
04-29-2010, 08:18 PM
04-29-2010, 08:37 PM
04-29-2010, 08:39 PM
You mentioned their bcaa as being underdosed. Is it illegal to take....ssshhhh.....2 servings? Did you possibly consider cost per gram when formulating your opinion, or just look at the smaller serving size, and go from there?
04-29-2010, 08:40 PM
04-29-2010, 08:50 PM
04-29-2010, 08:51 PM
04-29-2010, 08:55 PM
04-29-2010, 08:56 PM
04-29-2010, 08:58 PM
Two things here:
1: You are welcome to your own opinion. If you do not want to purchase LG, that is entirely up to you.
2: You need to look further into what you are talking about before you actually do. The studies you cite(there is another thread about this) does NOT state ANYWHERE that CEE does not work. It only states efficacy as compared to Creatine Monohydrate.
Go back and read, and stop letting the boys at the 'other' board tell you what a study says when they don't even read or understand the entire lit.
So, at this point, any points you make (aside from personal opinion)for the time being I'll have to deem as ill informed and/or misaligned......IMHO, of course.
04-29-2010, 09:05 PM
Good, don't take my opinion as serious, continue wasting your money. What do I care? Oh and btw:
"It can be concluded that a large portion of the creatine ethyl ester was being degraded within the GI tract after ingestion", the researchers conclude. "Furthermore, it appears that the skeletal muscle uptake of creatine ethyl ester uptake was not significant enough to increase skeletal muscle creatine levels without significant degradation to creatinine occurring".
04-29-2010, 09:18 PM
04-29-2010, 09:42 PM
04-29-2010, 10:15 PM
04-29-2010, 10:22 PM
Ok so back to Natadrol vs Prime... enough of this crap
04-30-2010, 08:26 AM
I'm on week 2 of trifecta with Anabolic Pump. I've increased my cals by around 50% and have not gained fat and in fact lost some whilst adding muscle. The last time I did this routine and diet I put on around 4 - 5 lbs of fat in 4 weeks.
If this is the placebo effect...bring it on...I love it!!
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