Natadrol vs Prime
- 04-28-2010, 07:46 PM
- 04-28-2010, 08:02 PM
Both of these products are utterly useless. LG doesn't make a product worth mentioning, and USPLabs is the placebo joke of the internet. You would be better off spending your money on food, or AAS.
- 04-28-2010, 09:08 PM
04-28-2010, 10:14 PM
The BCAA you make is an under-dosed prop blend that isn't even worth mentioning. The protein you make is worse than 100% whey iso. Like I said, LG doesn't make a single product thats decent.
04-28-2010, 10:19 PM
just go trifecta stack instead of prime or naty.... easier, less expensive then buying 3 bottles of each
04-28-2010, 10:21 PM
Branch Chain Amino Acid Blend 4:1:1 4g, L-Leucine, L-Isoleucine, L-Valine,. Hydrolyzed Essential Amino Acid: Recovery Agent: L-Glutamine 2g.
Thats not underdosed, and their protein has a great profile.
What do you know?
04-28-2010, 11:54 PM
04-29-2010, 12:22 AM
04-29-2010, 12:38 AM
04-29-2010, 01:00 AM
04-29-2010, 01:26 AM
04-29-2010, 01:30 AM
I used Natadrol and saw some great results and used Prime in PCT and was able to maintain my gains. I like stacking them together.
04-29-2010, 01:32 AM
Lol, lipo protein isn't the greatest tasting stuff around, but it has the best profile at ANY cost, let alone the $30 it goes for normally.
04-29-2010, 01:43 AM
This board reads like a who's who of placebo junkies. Natadrol is a complete joke, maybe even more so than Prime.
Most of the posters here are having a hard time taking LG's nuts out of their mouths.
04-29-2010, 01:45 AM
Water chestnuts, what! Thats those good crunchy things i find in my beef lomein at the chinese restaurant!
04-29-2010, 03:05 AM
04-29-2010, 07:27 AM
Slimcharles, if you have a differing opinion of a product then why not post up some reasonable backing instead of relying on insults and personal opinion.
04-29-2010, 10:00 AM
Working on living
04-29-2010, 02:01 PM
People are going to buy anything that promises to be strong and "androgenic" but are too afraid of using real stuff like test, which is actually safer and cheaper than 99% of the worthless supplements these days. The only problem would be legal implications, but a lot of people here are taking banned pro hormones anyway.
04-29-2010, 02:12 PM
04-29-2010, 03:40 PM
04-29-2010, 03:41 PM
04-29-2010, 03:47 PM
04-29-2010, 04:02 PM
04-29-2010, 04:05 PM
Prime has worked great for me. Have not tried the Natadrol yet. Ive got one bottle but I know im goin to need to pick up 2 more to run a proper lenght cycle. Ill be using TNA and TRS from Primordial Performance for pct.
04-29-2010, 04:40 PM
Logs do not actually prove anything about a supplement, no matter how detailed they are or how many people are logging a particular product with positive results. I do statistical analysis on climate change and agriculture at my college, and read numerous studies on everything from the environment to world economic trends to personal health and medicine on a daily basis. From my readings on medicine, I can tell you that the placebo effect has ENORMOUS power in all regards to personal health.
To cite one specific example, in 1949 Dr. Stewart Wolf of the Cornell Medical Center investigated the placebo effect in pregnant women affected by nausea. He gave multiple women suffering from nausea a substance that he claimed was a "new, strong, very effective anti-sickness" drug, and in each woman the nausea had completely dissipated within 20 minutes of ingestion. Ironically, This miracle drug was actually Ipecac, a common vomit inducer. It is important to note that each woman had been given Ipecac on several occasions in the weeks prior (but disguised with a different flavor) and vomited on each occasion. In case you were wondering, the flavor of Ipecac has no impact on its effectiveness. (1)
Placebos have proven to hold many other powers, including curing depression and killing pain equally as well as a moderate dose of morphine. The power of placebos has also been correlated to factors such as their cost, hype, and form (ex. sugar water injections are more effective than sugar pills).
So how do we know what really works? Not logs, no sir. Double-blind studies testing a product directly against a placebo of the same form in a highly controlled setting is the only real way to know what works and what doesn't. Unfortunately, 99% of the supplements out there aren't backed by studies at all. The ones that are include whey protein, creatine monohydrate, beta alanine, GPLC, and a few others.
To conclude, you're all wrong. We don't really know if natadrol or prime are placebos or the real deal. We may see increased strength, size, muscle density, etc. while taking them, but the power of the mind to create a reality out of a forgery cannot be overestimated. Just some food for thought.
(1) Wolf S, "Effects of Suggestion and Conditioning on the Action of Chemical Agents in Human Subjects: The Pharmacology of Placebos", Journal of Clinical Investigation 1950 Jan; 29(1):100-09.
04-29-2010, 05:32 PM
04-29-2010, 05:47 PM
Dear slim charles,
I appreciate the surprise correspondence, even in the form of neg reps. I particularly enjoyed how you elucidate yourself; in fact, I'd like everyone else here to enjoy your concise verbiage:
U mad you 35 and still small?
Never before has so much been stated in so few words. Amazing. To answer your question, no, I am not mad I am still small. You see, I'm not a bodybuilder, or even a fitness freak. I have far more specific goals; I train to enable my judo. Being heavy for my slender build, it isn't at all in my best interest to gain weight. My goal is to get as strong as possible while remaining as light as possible. I can dominate in the under 185lb range, but over 200lbs is tough for me.
I hope that answers your question. I'd love to correspond more at your leisure, however do not expect a return neg rep. That's for pussies.
04-29-2010, 06:11 PM
I would like to see clinical data on the ingredients in Prime and Natadrol relating to muscle building. That's right there are none. Natadrol has a bogus study released done of cancer cell lines in a petri dish, which is a far cry from what would actually happen inside the human body.
04-29-2010, 06:19 PM
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