advice on stack for 17yr old?
- 03-03-2010, 12:46 PM
advice on stack for 17yr old?
this year all the seniors on our football team at my high school decided we want to have a really good season. we want to get really strong over summer conditioning and wanted to take a really complete stack. were all 16 to 18 years old. since im vaguely educated on this they asked me to do some research and tell them how much it would cost. i want to make sure i get something good... but mostly non hormonal. i researched gaspari`s monster mass stack and it looked almost perfect for our goals.its super pump 250, size on, plasma jet, halodrol-50, novadex xt, and intrapro all for around 200 bucks (we made a deal with our local supp shop).the new halodrol formula is not like the old one because there is no hormones in it. i know there are a lot of people who know more about this than i do.just wondering if this is a good idea or there is something that works better or something better for you so any advice would be greatly appreciated.
- 03-03-2010, 12:55 PM
IMO you are going waaay overboard. Keep your stack basic with the essentials. At your age, most football teams train really hard. But there's no diet considerations in the equation whatsoever. In that case, start with a protein powder. My personal favorites are Axis Clutch Chocolate and ON Mocha.
The next thing you want is strength. Creatine is your can't miss choice and is safe for someone your age. The Gaspari creatine has good feedback so that would be fine. You'll find that there's tons of popular creatines, and in my opinion, most are very similar.
So the protein and creatine are MANDATORY for you in my opinion. The optional inclusion is the preworkout mix. A lot of people like SuperPump, but a lot of people have bad stomach issues with SuperPump as well. You might want to take a look at Axis SMASH or Nutrex Hemo Rage Black... positive feedback is more consistent with the 2 that I suggested instead of the SuperPump.
Finally, Skip the halodrol, skip the plasmajet, skip the Novedex. None of them are necessary for your goals. Remember the supp shop guy's job is convince you that you need his supplements. His job is NOT to make sure they are worth your money and he's not considering your goals.
Finally, take a look at www.nutraplanet.com We all make orders from that site and I'll personally vouch for their good prices and fast shipping.
- 03-03-2010, 12:57 PM
03-03-2010, 01:01 PM
the reason for the plasma jet is its a nitrous oxide and a lot of the guys wanted to use halodrol to get their mass up and i figured since it was included the nova couldn't hurt since we were taking halodrol(even though its not a ph) anyway... most of the guys have their hearts set on it sort of and the were really excited bout the test boosters thats why i was looking for alternatives if they were safer not really to take them out all together unless its absolutely nessicary
03-03-2010, 01:02 PM
protein and carbs. if you're all out bulking and going for strength, i'd take them pre training, post training, pre gym, and post gym. 25g protein, 50-100g carbs in each. and have a bcaa drink to sip on when thirsty. test boosters won't do a whole lot at your age (at least that's what i've heard - i'm on the fence on this idea), and there's a lot of gains to be gotten from the bare bones basics. keep it simple, keep it cheap, and train hard. once you've gotten all you can from the basics, then add stuff in. not before.
with regards to nitrous oxide, you can increase NO levels by not smoking, and i know some of you guys do that on weekends at parties.
03-03-2010, 01:09 PM
whats a good simple but complete stack then?
03-03-2010, 01:10 PM
Edit: in response to your last post, protein and creatine. It sort of looks like you want to look at a fancy ad and label though so we might not be able to help you???
03-03-2010, 01:18 PM
im not interested in buying the supp with the most hype behind it im interested in buying with the most science behind it ... ive experimented a little and have a vague idea but i was just interested in info from someone who knew more and i know protein and creatine and bcaa is the basics but what brands and where can i get it?
03-03-2010, 01:25 PM
Purus muscle marinade, BCAA's, and a **** ton of food and sleep. Oh yeah, Lots of hard work in the weight pile.
03-03-2010, 01:27 PM
Always open light. Itís not what you open with, itís what you finish with. Louie Simmons
03-03-2010, 01:29 PM
03-03-2010, 02:10 PM
generic or brand name?
and buy bulk ingredients or premixed?
03-03-2010, 02:23 PM
Check out Nutraplanet's bulk BCAA's. They are a good price and I really like the consistency of it. I personally prefer Scivation Whey protein or Optimum Nutrition Gold & Nitro Core, but this is completely a personal preference. It matters little what I like, it matters a great deal what you and your teammates will like. For creatine, there is too many out there really. I am not sure but I think Nutra has a bulk monohydrate, maybe someone else can chime in on that. I personally use BSN Cellmass simply because I've used it for so long it's just habit. I do like the niacin feeling from it though. Hope that helps. Nutraplanet is the place to order from though for sure. You'll get free shipping with a bulk order and I can almost guarantee you will save a ton over what you'd pay at your local nutrition store.
03-03-2010, 02:29 PM
did some research ... which creatine works best?
kre alkalyn.. dicreatine malate ..ester..or regular monohydrate?
03-03-2010, 02:31 PM
Also...a GREAT strength supplement is NOS Ether by Get Diesel nutrition. Along with JP8, also by Get Diesel, pre-workout it's a sick combo. But that could get on the pricier side. Then again, if you're smart and don't waste your money on the Halodrol and Novedex XT you'll have plenty of $$ for it. If you decide to look into that:
training days: JP8 pre (most people only need 1 scoop) and NOS Ether post.
Non-traning days: NOS Ether 2x a day as directed on the container.
03-03-2010, 02:32 PM
thanks i really appreaciate all yalls input i kinda kno what im talkn bout but im no guru like some of yall
03-03-2010, 02:34 PM
03-03-2010, 02:35 PM
Protein and carbs
if you want add some:
What ever happen to old fashioned body building. Every kid wants to jump on every supplement right away. At your age you can see a lot of progress from the basics. Keep the calories healthy and high. Good luck.
03-03-2010, 03:04 PM
gonna throw in my two cents: Protein, carbs, creatine mono, BCAA's. stick with the basics.
03-03-2010, 03:52 PM
The dicreatine malate has good feedback and so does creatine gluconate. Run some searches for those and I'll bet most of the feedback is good for those creatine variations.
I also prefer ON Gold Standard and Axis Clutch. ON has a real good Mocha flavor and the Axis chocolate taste great. Gotta drink shakes every day so they might as well taste good
03-03-2010, 06:32 PM
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03-03-2010, 08:37 PM
03-03-2010, 08:43 PM
03-04-2010, 12:43 AM
I have also tried Controlled Labs Green Bulge which contains dicreatine malate and Magnesium creatine chelate which worked great for me. Another product I enjoyed would be Sci-Fit Kre-Alkalyn which seems to work great for me. Though I have tried these products I also go back to good ol' creatine monohydrate.
03-04-2010, 01:06 AM
03-04-2010, 09:19 AM
03-04-2010, 10:41 AM
Seriously though, if a 17yr old has his heart set on a test booster, he must be making up for something... Like his hypogonadism. Take the advice of the guys here and just use some good protein proteins and make sure you get 8+hrs of sleep and take your vitamins/minerals and amino acids.
03-04-2010, 04:34 PM
03-04-2010, 04:38 PM
03-04-2010, 05:37 PM
03-04-2010, 06:31 PM
Halodrol and Novadex can screw up your puberty, and leave your hormones screwed up for life. I know you probably think your done with puberty, but when your 24, your not gonna look at 17 years olds as people who are finished developing.
03-04-2010, 06:57 PM
03-04-2010, 07:10 PM
03-05-2010, 03:57 PM
They took the old halodrol 50 off tha market in 04 or 05 but the new stuff is a "Maximal Muscle Myotrophic Developer" but I could be wrong
03-05-2010, 04:20 PM
Ya. I know it's different stuff. I would still research wether it affects hormones or not.
03-05-2010, 05:08 PM
food ,food and more food and when you run outta food?drink a protein shake!!!your natural levels should be 2-3x higher than most people on this site!!if thats not enough creatine will help and is safe from what most studies have shown if you respond to it...dont be in such a hurry it takes time and consistancy but will pay off in the end!!
03-05-2010, 06:05 PM
03-05-2010, 10:38 PM
03-05-2010, 10:46 PM
5 shots of onion juice per day. Women love it too.
03-08-2010, 01:10 PM
Oh man...to be young again with the knowledge I have now
My 16yo son is to the point where he is really serious about gaining the weight for football. We are constantly buying bread cause he packs himself 3 PB&J sandwichs to eat between classes along with his lunch. He has packed on 20lbs of lean muscle in the past 4 months without the use of supps, except for the post W/O weightgain shake.
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