whats your favorite protien shake?

**Nelson** · 03-05-2003 10:23 PM

Originally posted by John Benz
BTW, My favorite proteins are in this order, ranked by quality, as taste isn't why I drink a protein shake:

1.Beverly Ultra Size

2. Beverly Muscle Provider

3. Biotest Low Carb Grow

4. Optimum Complete Protein Diet, which is my main source of protein powder, since the first 3 are cost prohibitive

I also love Lean Mass Matrix, but too many carbs for me, even though they ARE good complex carbs. this would be the closest thing I have seen to a good commercially available weight gainer.

Are these your favorites for post-workout, or in general?

**John Benz** · 03-05-2003 11:24 PM

Originally posted by Nelson

Are these your favorites for post-workout, or in general?

In general. Although there are a lot of good proteins I haven't tried like Muscle Milk and AST's VP2. I do think the quality of Beverly products is unequaled in this industry. Their muscle Provider has the highest amount of hydrolyzed whey except for Biotest Surge, which is specifically designed for post-workout use.

I am not convinced that protein powder ingredients warrant the extra cost. Sure, you get what you pay for, but K (same) used to say, "If you buy the cheaper protein, you just have to eat more of it to get the same results." Also, protein powders, barring post-workout of course, are meant to supplement, not replace real food. Nothing at all wrong with 3-4 protein shakes a day, if you feel like spending 5 times as much money for something half as anabolic as real food, like beef, fish and eggs.

People tend to attach too much relevance on the shake nutrition immediately surrounding the workout. You must eat smart throughout the day and attempt to maintain a postive nitrogen balance at all times if you expect to see maximum gains from your workout.

**Nelson** · 03-06-2003 04:42 AM

Originally posted by John Benz

In general. Although there are a lot of good proteins I haven't tried like Muscle Milk and AST's VP2. I do think the quality of Beverly products is unequaled in this industry. Their muscle Provider has the highest amount of hydrolyzed whey except for Biotest Surge, which is specifically designed for post-workout use.

I am not convinced that protein powder ingredients warrant the extra cost. Sure, you get what you pay for, but K (same) used to say, "If you buy the cheaper protein, you just have to eat more of it to get the same results." Also, protein powders, barring post-workout of course, are meant to supplement, not replace real food. Nothing at all wrong with 3-4 protein shakes a day, if you feel like spending 5 times as much money for something half as anabolic as real food, like beef, fish and eggs.

People tend to attach too much relevance on the shake nutrition immediately surrounding the workout. You must eat smart throughout the day and attempt to maintain a postive nitrogen balance at all times if you expect to see maximum gains from your workout.

I agree with everything you`ve said.
I used to attach too much importance to supplements, but now I only have a shake in the morning (as an adjunct to my breakfast) & for post-workout, the rest is `real food` which I prepare.
I`m using VP2 at the moment for the first time.
I use 1 scoop of Optimum 100% Strawberry with 1/2 a scoop of VP2 Vanilla plus some dextrose.
It tastes fairly good & isn`t too pricey.

**NPursuit** · 03-07-2003 12:11 PM

Glad to see I was given some pretty ****ty advice on maltodextrin. I used to use just straight wheys and blends for my shake, but I recently started using maltodextrin, which I was told by the guy I buy my supps from was a great meal replacement. I am getting towards the end of my bulking cycle, and was using 56 grams of malto in my morning shake, 26 grams of malto in my post workout shake. No wonder why I'm gaining fat. I was just dealing with since I was coming off of the bulking cycle. What are your suggestions for the use of malto?

**sage** · 03-07-2003 12:28 PM

Originally posted by N'Pursuit
What are your suggestions for the use of malto?

half of your post workout carb source is a good idea. (combo with dextrose) ONLY! Sage

**bachovas** · 03-07-2003 12:38 PM

Originally posted by John Benz
BTW, My favorite proteins are in this order, ranked by quality, as taste isn't why I drink a protein shake:

1.Beverly Ultra Size

2. Beverly Muscle Provider

3. Biotest Low Carb Grow

4. Optimum Complete Protein Diet, which is my main source of protein powder, since the first 3 are cost prohibitive

I also love Lean Mass Matrix, but too many carbs for me, even though they ARE good complex carbs. this would be the closest thing I have seen to a good commercially available weight gainer.

Isomatrix?

**RippedUp** · 03-07-2003 05:27 PM

Originally posted by bachovas

Isomatrix?

Good.

**GuyinLA** · 03-07-2003 10:16 PM

I read about a sale on Isomatrix at the Syntrax website (I don't think it was this specific thread but I think Bachovas was the source. If it was on this thread, sorry for the repetition - no flames, please.) Syntrax is selling Garden Berry flavor for $16 because the containers were damaged (who cares about that). I bought two tubs (shipping was $5). At web retailers, the cheapest I've seen Isomatrix is a little over $23. So this is a good deal. I just hope I like the flavor - it isn't what I would usually buy. Although I have been happy with Optimum 100% Whey, I've been reconsidering based on the negative comments about Whey Concentrate - thought I would give Isomatrix a try. I've read positive comments on Isomatrix.

**bachovas** · 03-07-2003 10:49 PM

Yeap, it was me. Cereal Killer ordered 2 tubs, too. I'm still waiting for you guys to try the flavor, Berry WTF?, and to tell me how damaged the containers actually are. Remember that I have to get it down here to Venezuela, so I have to get it shipped twice.
Syntrax-->Miami-->Vzla

**Carl Willingham** · 03-07-2003 11:12 PM

Saw that special on the sytrax site, I agree WTF is Garden Berry? Anybody try it, good deal if it tastes decent. Ordered with Protein Customizer today, nice guy on the phone, will report with flavors and such later. Bachovis, that damn picture is the funniest thing I see all day. What is that ...... getting ready to do?????

**GuyinLA** · 03-08-2003 10:40 AM

I'll post my impression of the flavor on this thread. I should get my shipment late next week.

**Conceptions** · 03-08-2003 01:15 PM

bachovas, whats with your avatar? what is it lol

**bachovas** · 03-08-2003 02:01 PM

My motherf*cker president. Hugo Rafael Chavez Frías.

**GuyinLA** · 03-08-2003 06:50 PM

Originally posted by bachovas
Yeap, it was me. Cereal Killer ordered 2 tubs, too. I'm still waiting for you guys to try the flavor, Berry WTF?, and to tell me how damaged the containers actually are. Remember that&nbsp;I have to get it down here to Venezuela, so I have to get it shipped twice.
Syntrax--&gt;Miami--&gt;Vzla

Thanks for the info. I would have otherwise never been aware of the sale. I would have bought more, but I'd hate to buy a lot if I hated the flavor.

**bachovas** · 03-08-2003 06:57 PM

No problem man, actually I was reading Ripped's thread about company websites, and I decided to visit each one of them (looking for free samples). I don't care so much about the flavor, I could cover it with some chocolate whey. What concerns me is the tubs, and if they'll make it down here.

**PoolMan** · 03-09-2003 04:41 PM

I use Muscle Milk (have choco and cookies/creme) in the mornings, and use their Cyto Gainer post workout (chocolate malt flavor). The rest of the day is packed with tuna, chicken, beef, tuna, chicken, beef, over and over....

The Cyto Gainer is very good, and is as tasty as Muscle Milk.

**sage** · 03-09-2003 05:33 PM

Originally posted by PoolMan
I use Muscle Milk (have choco and cookies/creme) in the mornings, and use their Cyto Gainer post workout (chocolate malt flavor). The rest of the day is packed with tuna, chicken, beef, tuna, chicken, beef, over and over....

The Cyto Gainer is very good, and is as tasty as Muscle Milk.

not suprised....has blalent 50g plus of malto or dextrose per serving (as do most gainers sold by manufacturers) hey...fine for post workout at least. Sage (ps...how's cookies and cream?)

**PoolMan** · 03-09-2003 07:33 PM

Yeah, I try to keep the amount of shakes low per day. Sometimes I will have an extra shake if I had to miss a solid meal due to time problems, etc. The cookies and creme is pretty good, but it is a little too sweet tasting (NEVER thought I would say that about a protein shake. Chocolate is much better though. After reading this, I will probably try the Strawberry next.

**Biggs** · 03-09-2003 07:38 PM

eh? somebody say strawbery MM?

... dammit it's good... thanks for the info about cookies n cream, wondered how that would turn out... I don't use much so will probably stick with strawberry

**sage** · 03-09-2003 07:50 PM

Originally posted by Biggin
eh? somebody say strawbery MM? ... dammit it's good... thanks for the info about cookies n cream, wondered how that would turn out... I don't use much so will probably stick with strawberry

true....ive tried 4 mm's. (straw, vanilla, choc, and rootbeer) strawberries is best. Sage

whats your favorite protien shake?

Benz

Re: Benz

I totally agree

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