whats your favorite protien shake?

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  1. I see a lot of you guys are taking the muscle milk.. just bought a bottle of banana creme today and its the best tasting protein shake i've tasted. But the 18 grams of fat and 8 grams saturated per serving is a bit high..Anyone get good gains from muscle milk?


  2. good gains? yes. fat per serving high? depends on what you want out of your shake... it ain't 100% whey ya know... casein, a little colostrum and other **** with MCT's, etc... gotta consider how you'll use it... like I said I mainly use it with milk and sometimes ground oats preworkout as it is lighter in my gut than actual food, and gives me noticable increases in endurance and energy during workout... fat is goo fo youu
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  3. got my new order of strawberry and vanilla musclemilk in tonight. had a half-a-serving with my dinner. strawberry is ridiculous. Sage

  4. Originally posted by gh0stface killa
    I see a lot of you guys are taking the muscle milk.. just bought a bottle of banana creme today and its the best tasting protein shake i've tasted. But the 18 grams of fat and 8 grams saturated per serving is a bit high..Anyone get good gains from muscle milk?

    Holy ****, no wonder it tastes so good, 8 grams of saturated fat? Christ, might as well have some BK.

  5. Originally posted by bigliftsCNU
    my favorite whey protein powder is optimum 100%

    n-large2 is a great weight gainer.. good amino acid profile, not loaded with sugar, good ratio of fats, protein, and carbs, has healthy fats, and good cholestoral.
    Joe, don't take this as a flame, but there is no such thing as a good weight gainer.

    One serving of N-Large 2 contains 52 grams protein, and 89 grams carbs, but only lists 23 of those grams carbs as sugar. The rest are simply maltodextrin, which is is sugar spelled sideways. Malto is 130 on the GI scale. It's considered a complex carb but has a higher spike than Dextrose, and acts just like sugar in the body. So the sugars far outweigh the protein, and I'm sure many young guys with incredibly fast metabolism see huge size gains off this product. But the same guys would see every bit as much muscle, minus the fat, if they were to stick with a high grade of blended protein, like Optimum Complete Protein Diet, or Max Muscle's High 5, and got all their carbs from whole food.

    And last but not least, weight gainers usually have the lowest available grade of cheap ass whey concentrate as their main protein source. If you must use a gainer, the one formulated by YellowJacket is the best one I have seen.
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  6. BTW, My favorite proteins are in this order, ranked by quality, as taste isn't why I drink a protein shake:

    1.Beverly Ultra Size

    2. Beverly Muscle Provider

    3. Biotest Low Carb Grow

    4. Optimum Complete Protein Diet, which is my main source of protein powder, since the first 3 are cost prohibitive

    I also love Lean Mass Matrix, but too many carbs for me, even though they ARE good complex carbs. this would be the closest thing I have seen to a good commercially available weight gainer.

  7. I think John Benz's advice is sound. I, too, don't have a high opinion of N-Large primarily because of the high simple carb content. The only thing I would add is that EAS has a new Myoplex formula that is supposedly along the lines of Lean Mass Matrix. I haven't yet tasted it. EAS usually puts out reasonably-priced products.

  8. John Benz I have a question for you regarding the Maltodextrin. Wouldn't a (MRP) like N-Large2 even if it contains malto, if added with protein and fat , would lower the GI of the food while entering the bloodstream thus not really being that fat sugar wise ? I hope I explained myself good enought.

  9. Originally posted by RaulJimenez
    John Benz I have a question for you regarding the Maltodextrin. Wouldn't a (MRP) like N-Large2 even if it contains malto, if added with protein and fat , would lower the GI of the food while entering the bloodstream thus not really being that fat sugar wise ? I hope I explained myself good enought.
    Raul, you may be able to slow the digestion of whey protein by adding some additional fat, but nothing will slow the apsorption of malto, no matter what you add to the mix. Even if 89 gms were necessary for a proper insulin spike (which they are not), where does 89 gms of sugar go after it helps you spike? Right around your waistline, that's where!

    BTW, if you were going to add fats and protein to an expensive gainer, why not just make your own?

  10. yeh, the idea that you can take carbs like malto (and minor amounts of fructo in this case as well) with some whey, recommend 50g protein and 90g carb per serving and call it a weight gainer is a funny idea... people mistake that for MRP also, which as we can see it certainly isn't... it does meet and exceed label claims and is simple stuff so if you already have some, do yourself a favor and mix some real 100% whey with a half "serving" of nlarge post workout only... the only real mistake with these kinds of supps is that they take advantage of the fact that most average GNC shoppers see malto, see the explanation about it's complex carb designation, and think they're getting essentially the opposite of what they pay for
  11. Nelson
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    Benz


    Originally posted by John Benz
    BTW, My favorite proteins are in this order, ranked by quality, as taste isn't why I drink a protein shake:

    1.Beverly Ultra Size

    2. Beverly Muscle Provider

    3. Biotest Low Carb Grow

    4. Optimum Complete Protein Diet, which is my main source of protein powder, since the first 3 are cost prohibitive

    I also love Lean Mass Matrix, but too many carbs for me, even though they ARE good complex carbs. this would be the closest thing I have seen to a good commercially available weight gainer.

    Are these your favorites for post-workout, or in general?
  12. Re: Benz


    Originally posted by Nelson



    Are these your favorites for post-workout, or in general?
    In general. Although there are a lot of good proteins I haven't tried like Muscle Milk and AST's VP2. I do think the quality of Beverly products is unequaled in this industry. Their muscle Provider has the highest amount of hydrolyzed whey except for Biotest Surge, which is specifically designed for post-workout use.

    I am not convinced that protein powder ingredients warrant the extra cost. Sure, you get what you pay for, but K (same) used to say, "If you buy the cheaper protein, you just have to eat more of it to get the same results." Also, protein powders, barring post-workout of course, are meant to supplement, not replace real food. Nothing at all wrong with 3-4 protein shakes a day, if you feel like spending 5 times as much money for something half as anabolic as real food, like beef, fish and eggs.

    People tend to attach too much relevance on the shake nutrition immediately surrounding the workout. You must eat smart throughout the day and attempt to maintain a postive nitrogen balance at all times if you expect to see maximum gains from your workout.
  13. Nelson
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    I totally agree


    Originally posted by John Benz

    In general. Although there are a lot of good proteins I haven't tried like Muscle Milk and AST's VP2. I do think the quality of Beverly products is unequaled in this industry. Their muscle Provider has the highest amount of hydrolyzed whey except for Biotest Surge, which is specifically designed for post-workout use.

    I am not convinced that protein powder ingredients warrant the extra cost. Sure, you get what you pay for, but K (same) used to say, "If you buy the cheaper protein, you just have to eat more of it to get the same results." Also, protein powders, barring post-workout of course, are meant to supplement, not replace real food. Nothing at all wrong with 3-4 protein shakes a day, if you feel like spending 5 times as much money for something half as anabolic as real food, like beef, fish and eggs.

    People tend to attach too much relevance on the shake nutrition immediately surrounding the workout. You must eat smart throughout the day and attempt to maintain a postive nitrogen balance at all times if you expect to see maximum gains from your workout.

    I agree with everything you`ve said.
    I used to attach too much importance to supplements, but now I only have a shake in the morning (as an adjunct to my breakfast) & for post-workout, the rest is `real food` which I prepare.
    I`m using VP2 at the moment for the first time.
    I use 1 scoop of Optimum 100% Strawberry with 1/2 a scoop of VP2 Vanilla plus some dextrose.
    It tastes fairly good & isn`t too pricey.

  14. Glad to see I was given some pretty ****ty advice on maltodextrin. I used to use just straight wheys and blends for my shake, but I recently started using maltodextrin, which I was told by the guy I buy my supps from was a great meal replacement. I am getting towards the end of my bulking cycle, and was using 56 grams of malto in my morning shake, 26 grams of malto in my post workout shake. No wonder why I'm gaining fat. I was just dealing with since I was coming off of the bulking cycle. What are your suggestions for the use of malto?

  15. Originally posted by N'Pursuit
    What are your suggestions for the use of malto?
    half of your post workout carb source is a good idea. (combo with dextrose) ONLY! Sage

  16. Originally posted by John Benz
    BTW, My favorite proteins are in this order, ranked by quality, as taste isn't why I drink a protein shake:

    1.Beverly Ultra Size

    2. Beverly Muscle Provider

    3. Biotest Low Carb Grow

    4. Optimum Complete Protein Diet, which is my main source of protein powder, since the first 3 are cost prohibitive

    I also love Lean Mass Matrix, but too many carbs for me, even though they ARE good complex carbs. this would be the closest thing I have seen to a good commercially available weight gainer.

    Isomatrix?

  17. Originally posted by bachovas



    Isomatrix?
    Good.

  18. I read about a sale on Isomatrix at the Syntrax website (I don't think it was this specific thread but I think Bachovas was the source. If it was on this thread, sorry for the repetition - no flames, please.) Syntrax is selling Garden Berry flavor for $16 because the containers were damaged (who cares about that). I bought two tubs (shipping was $5). At web retailers, the cheapest I've seen Isomatrix is a little over $23. So this is a good deal. I just hope I like the flavor - it isn't what I would usually buy. Although I have been happy with Optimum 100% Whey, I've been reconsidering based on the negative comments about Whey Concentrate - thought I would give Isomatrix a try. I've read positive comments on Isomatrix.

  19. Yeap, it was me. Cereal Killer ordered 2 tubs, too. I'm still waiting for you guys to try the flavor, Berry WTF?, and to tell me how damaged the containers actually are. Remember that I have to get it down here to Venezuela, so I have to get it shipped twice.
    Syntrax-->Miami-->Vzla
    Last edited by bachovas; 03-08-2003 at 12:56 AM.

  20. Saw that special on the sytrax site, I agree WTF is Garden Berry? Anybody try it, good deal if it tastes decent. Ordered with Protein Customizer today, nice guy on the phone, will report with flavors and such later. Bachovis, that damn picture is the funniest thing I see all day. What is that ...... getting ready to do?????

  21. I'll post my impression of the flavor on this thread. I should get my shipment late next week.

  22. bachovas, whats with your avatar? what is it lol

  23. My motherf*cker president. Hugo Rafael Chavez Frķas.

  24. Originally posted by bachovas
    Yeap, it was me. Cereal Killer ordered 2 tubs, too. I'm still waiting for you guys to try the flavor, Berry WTF?, and to tell me how damaged the containers actually are. Remember that I have to get it down here to Venezuela, so I have to get it shipped twice.
    Syntrax-->Miami-->Vzla
    Thanks for the info. I would have otherwise never been aware of the sale. I would have bought more, but I'd hate to buy a lot if I hated the flavor.

  25. No problem man, actually I was reading Ripped's thread about company websites, and I decided to visit each one of them (looking for free samples). I don't care so much about the flavor, I could cover it with some chocolate whey. What concerns me is the tubs, and if they'll make it down here.
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