From my new readings, krill oil is vastly superior to fish oil, just less in epa/dha quantities but has a much greater benefit on positive cholesterol
what is your guys take and findings.
what is your guys take and findings.
Yes that is why it is taken. I wasn't aware of the potent anti-oxidents. You get the same thing from flax/sessame/pumpkin/sunflower mix but krill is considered more bioavailable.phospholipid vehicle in the krill will increase bioavailability of the regular fish oil
Plants provide ALA. ALA is converted to EPA (pretty poorly, like 6% according to some studies) but not to DHA. (Postgraduate Medicine: Volume 121: No.6 Nov 2009. Understanding Omega-3 Polyunsaturated Fatty Acids) DHA is only obtainable from marine and algal (algae) sources. DHA is the most prominent fatty acid in sperm, eyes (retina), and brain tissue. (Conversion of ALA and DHA., I.H. Gerster, Internat J Vit Nutr Res 68 (1998) 159-173)Good post.
Yes that is why it is taken. I wasn't aware of the potent anti-oxidents. You get the same thing from flax/sessame/pumpkin/sunflower mix but krill is considered more bioavailable.
It is very trendy, as a possible nootropic. The other reason its taken its a reduced concern of Vit D toxicity (over fish oil). For gym I don't see krill as being worth it over fish oil.
Right, I would recommend 1000 iu Vit D, 2g DHA from fish, krill, or a combo of both, and a USP verified multivitamin low (100% or less) in A (beta carotene), E and all other nutrients. Flax is just icing but is likely beneficial! As a bodybuilder you are probably eating much more than the usual person and paying more attention to what you are eating (or should be), so the need for extra stuff is less than some sedentary person living off of processed foods.so then 2g of DHA + krill oil covers everything? and the flax oil is just for added good fat benefit in my diet but not req?
how much krill oil per day? as a bodybuilder
thx much for all the info and informative writeups
Flax/sesame/sunflower/pumpkin 3:1:1:1 balances omega 3 and 6 (what you find in cells) aside from bio-availability.Right, I would recommend 1000 iu Vit D, 2g DHA from fish, krill, or a combo of both, and a USP verified multivitamin low (100% or less) in A (beta carotene), E and all other nutrients. Flax is just icing but is likely beneficial! As a bodybuilder you are probably eating much more than the usual person and paying more attention to what you are eating (or should be), so the need for extra stuff is less than some sedentary person living off of processed foods.
DHA/DHA will have a ratio of 1:1 whether you are a human or a blue whale or another other animal using DHA for that matter.Fish oil is far superior to flax mainly because of the quantities of DHA/DHA and their ratios.
I'm aware that Vit D is very trendy right now. Vit A toxicity does happen.As a side note, Matthias, Vit D toxicity is rare. Current research places vit D deficiency in US adults at 40-80%. In my own practice, I regularly prescribe 50,000iu vit D3 (ergocalciferol) 3x a week for 4 months to get deficiencies back into a normal range. Then 1000iu D2 (cholecalciferol) a day or 50,000iu D3 a month to keep levels in the optimal range. Even with regular sun exposure, you are pretty likely to be deficient. (Low Vitamin D status despite abundant sun exposure. J Clin Endocrinol Metab 92:2130, 2007)
This I doubt. In actual fact I do infectious disease for living.Vit D is something I recommend for everyone. Especially in cold/flu season (I haven't been sick in many years), which is supported by current research (Association between serum 25-hydroxyvitamin D level and upper respiratory tract infection... Arch Intern Med. 2009; 169:384-90.)
He recommends taking 1000iu of Vit D2 daily, which in no way will cause toxicity. The megadoses are what he prescribes after taking blood levels.Wait a minute ... its not that simple.
Vit D is believed to be the current wonder Vit that we are all deficit in. The normal response to this is to go MEGA, until toxicity can be proved.
elabor is saying 'cause we're all deficit there ain't such a thing as toxicity. However elabor is monitoring serum levels - which you ain't.
All I'm saying is that because vit D is fat soluble it can build up. elabor is saying it can't because we're deficit. In all honesty I've no idea who is right here. What I do know is that even mega-vit C (which I also take) has never been linked to health benefits. Although it is thought to have greatly improved the life expectancy of many US citizens, its not conclusive. If mega water soluble vit theory is wrong - it doesn't matter much (it does at the extremes) because its excreted. If mega-D theory is wrong you need to know the signs of going toxic.
If you are really worried serum levels are the way to go. What we really need to know are the signs of deficiency. I know how UK dietricians work and you'd fill in a questionaire and they'd screen for suspected deficiencies. Here though I dunno, I'm arguing from a 'traditional' perspective.
Unfortunately this is not the case with many supplements, which is what I was referring to in that sentence. For instance many products containing fish oil contain 1000mg of fish oil which contains 180mg of EPA and 120mg DHA. Is this a big difference, of course not, I was just making a point . But DHA/EPA is much more important than ALA when it concerns the heart so stick to the fish oil .DHA/DHA will have a ratio of 1:1 whether you are a human or a blue whale or another other animal using DHA for that matter.
You should read some of the studies on this pageWait a minute ... its not that simple.
Vit D is believed to be the current wonder Vit that we are all deficit in. The normal response to this is to go MEGA, until toxicity can be proved.
elabor is saying 'cause we're all deficit there ain't such a thing as toxicity. However elabor is monitoring serum levels - which you ain't.
All I'm saying is that because vit D is fat soluble it can build up. elabor is saying it can't because we're deficit. In all honesty I've no idea who is right here. What I do know is that even mega-vit C (which I also take) has never been linked to health benefits. Although it is thought to have greatly improved the life expectancy of many US citizens, its not conclusive. If mega water soluble vit theory is wrong - it doesn't matter much (it does at the extremes) because its excreted. If mega-D theory is wrong you need to know the signs of going toxic.
If you are really worried serum levels are the way to go. What we really need to know are the signs of deficiency. I know how UK dietricians work and you'd fill in a questionaire and they'd screen for suspected deficiencies. Here though I dunno, I'm arguing from a 'traditional' perspective.
Three aren't many downsides to it except taking it with iron can be an issue and can actually make it a pro-oxidant. There still hasn't been much research on mega dosing it for the anti-hyperlipidemic effects but there are some possibilities there. It has been shown in most studies that anti-oxidants don't have much of an effect on diseases later in life either such as Alzheimer's. Vitamin C wouldn't do you much good anyways since it is a water soluble vitamin.any news on vit c?
Yup, I agree with above. That is the biggest problem with correlation studies is that although it shows two variables are 'associated' somehow it does not say how. So if they show that people who get adequate vitamin D have less instance of viral infection, it could just be due to the fact that people who are taking vitamin D happen to be more on top of their diet and other supplementation as well, there are a million possibilities.wow many additions to this thread since I last visited.
If you are megadosing with Vit D you must get your serum levels checked. The test is inexpensive. A safer bet is the 1000iu D3 daily, which is not a megadose. In fact the current RDA will likely be increased to 1000iu in the near future based on recent research.
As far as preventing viral infection, the cause is not implied, just a correlation. I highly doubt that taking vit D alone will prevent illness. BUT, I do believe there is a connection, just as Vit D deficiency does not cause the elderly to fall, BUT there is a correlation between vit D deficiency and falls in the elderly. It is extremely difficulty to prove a causal effect for this type of thing because there are so many variables. I do think vit D is important and more benefits will be revealed with future research.
Vit C is probably good too and likely harmless in reasonable doses. I only give 500mg to patients with decubitus ulcers or surgical or other wounds, as it may aid in skin integrity and healing. But if you are deficient in C from your diet then it may be useful with immunity and, of course, preventing scurvy (a result of severe deficiency). Argh! More than 500mg and you increase the risks of kidney stones in susceptible people and diarrhea, especially when you are taking multiple grams, which I have not seen any convincing evidence of which to support the use.
Vit A and E are definitely not recommended by me though, as toxicity is pretty easy to achieve with supplementation and deficiencies are rare with even crappy diets. I've read of ignorant parents causing permanent mental retardation in their children with megadoses of vitamin A.
Exactly right, stick to what works .I think its a fad...cant go wrong with a good fish oil
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