Hi fellas,need help
- 11-28-2009, 07:49 AM
- 11-28-2009, 08:45 AM
First off let me ask whats your height and weight and age? This will give me some indication but off the bat a stack thats proven to work is the asteroid stack from USP labs natural supplements which work great, Prime, Anabolic Pump, Powerfull maybe throw in some pSlin or something and you get some good gains. Theres also some new items appearing like Ghenerate which seem very good. So theres a few things to look at and once you come back with your height weight and age i can maybe suggest some other products.
- 11-28-2009, 11:49 AM
11-28-2009, 01:04 PM
There are so many stacks that are useful without going the ph/ps route. You just need to read, read and read!
Think training's hard,. try losing!
11-28-2009, 01:34 PM
That is an asinine comment to make without knowing his diet, training or really anything else. So very few people have actually hit ther 'natural' plateau, mostly they just haven't utilized proper training and diet(oh yeah, that is about 96% of the people on this board too ). There are so many things to look at here....and questions to ask (can I do this better?) that it is irresponsible to say someone has to drug to see improvement.
To the OP, how about some stats and current training/diet?
11-28-2009, 01:41 PM
11-28-2009, 02:51 PM
So, thanks, I am 21 years old, 176 cm and 78 kg 10 % bf my diets:
30gr of protein in 250 ml of wather,2 slice of tosted bread with honey of jam (without sugar) 1 apple
sandwich with 80gr of dried beef
100gr of rice,200gr of fresh meat,fresh vegetables
30gr of protein + 250ml wather + 1 banana
fresh salad with tomatoes, 250 gr of fresh meat, 70 gr of bread
50gr of dried beef,5 walnut.
11-28-2009, 02:51 PM
11-28-2009, 02:54 PM
that's great, the food you listed...but how many calories is all that?
i weigh a bit more than you and i eat all that before lunch...i think since i dont know how much 200g of meat is....
11-28-2009, 04:34 PM
As jumpshot903 said, USP products are great, many people have had some good strength gains from PRIME
11-28-2009, 06:00 PM
11-28-2009, 08:39 PM
I think your best bet right now is the Asteroid stack from USPlabs safe and very effective no i know someone mentioned PH's i wouldnt reccomend those till you really need them and you have to be spot on with diet and training and know what your doing.
My reccomendation is
Jack3d for preworkout -or- something like Maniac, Assault some pre workout you like
then the essentials multivitamin, fish oil, Protein
And maybe up the cals a lil more if you want to gain mass on the asteroid stack its truely a great stack and for being non hormonal many believe its the best non hormonal sups.
11-29-2009, 08:53 AM
11-29-2009, 09:47 AM
11-29-2009, 12:13 PM
11-29-2009, 03:56 PM
you may want to look into 1-T from primordial performance, or Dermacrine, or Ph's are about all you're going to get more results out of bro! but they are definately out there, so make some wise decisions and ask DETAILED questions and you'll get where you want to go
11-29-2009, 06:59 PM
11-29-2009, 07:53 PM
11-29-2009, 07:55 PM
11-29-2009, 08:09 PM
Ph's are always a last resort there only meant to be used when your diet is spot on and your training is spot on and you cant seem to gain anymore. If you can get gains without using ph's do it its a last resort to use them.
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