Ok I haven't been paying attention. Which does everyone like better for test boost?
i know testofen boosts test but i get much more from it from libido to sleep to load size to hardning and a leaing effect and it ups my aggression as well, i have never run stight dinivill but i have run massfx and got a good pump and ok gains but it seemd to lose effect bulk testofen never lost effects while i took it for 6 months
Both is best if you ask me, ever since I first started using Divanil I was wondering why people were not putting this together with a decent natural test booster. I don't like Trib Terr. so I had to find something that worked for me and Testofen seemed to do the trick, now AI comes out with, I think "this is what I want to try". I have not tried it yet personally but will soon. The reviews are very good so I expect good things.
Do not go gentle into that good night...Rage! Rage! against the dying of the light!!
straight fenugreek also has a negative effect on thyroid hormones as i have read. but i havent found any literature saying whether the same is true with specific extracts from it like testofen, 4-oh, grecunin, trigimanose.
So where would we buy bulk testofen?
here is an attachment from another forum
300mg dose 2x a day
skin fold measurements were down, BMI stayerd the same, Free test levels raised 200%, blood urea nitrogen levels down 2.66pt
covered many blood markers but not thyroid function.
ya and phytotest also has Methoxy at a high dosage! ive heard great thing, hope to run it when i get back after my shoulder heals
what sucks is they had a blowout sale for 24 bucks abottle like last week and i missed out i had it in my cart and when i came back it was oos
INHIBITION OF TRIIODOTHYRONINE PRODUCTION BY FENUGREEK SEED EXTRACT IN MICE AND RATS*1
SUNANDA PANDA, PANKAJ TAHILIANI and ANAND KAR
Thyroid Research Unit, School of Life Sciences, Vigyan Bhawan, D.A. University, Khandwa Road, Indore, 452 017, India
Available online 26 March 2002.
The effects of fenugreek seed extract on the alterations in serum thyroid hormone concentrations were studied in adult male mice and rats. Simultaneously, hepatic lipid peroxidation (LPO) and the activities of the antioxidant enzymes, viz superoxide dismutase (SOD) and catalase (CAT) were examined. Administration of methi seed extract (0.11 g kg body wt.−1day−1for 15 days) to both mice and rats significantly decreases serum triiodothyronine (T3) concentration and T3/T4ratio, but increases thyroxine (T4) levels and body weight. While hepatic LPO and CAT activities were not altered, a significant decrease in SOD activity was observed in both the animal models. These findings suggest that fenugreek seed extract induced inhibition in T4to T3conversion is not peroxidation-mediated and the inhibition in SOD activity could be the result of a decrease in the protein anabolic hormone, T3.pc
The combined effects of Trigonella foenum-graecum and Allium sativum extracts were evaluated for their ameliorative potential in the L-thyroxine-induced hyperthyroidic rat model to contribute to an understanding of interaction between the two extracts. The investigation was carried out using two different doses. A comparison was made with the response of individual plant extracts at the previously studied effective dose in adult Wistar rats rendered hyperthyroidic by daily injections of L-thyroxine (300 microg/kg body wt., s.c.). Propylthiouracil (PTU), an antithyroid drug, was used as a reference compound. Alterations in serum triiodothyronine (T3), thyroxine (T4), glucose, hepatic glucose-6-phosphatase (G-6-Pase) and oxygen consumption were studied as end parameters. Superoxide dismutase (SOD), catalase (CAT) activities, lipid peroxidation (LPO) and reduced glutathione (GSH) were examined to reveal any toxic effects of the drugs. The combined effects of Trigonella and Allium at 200 and 500 mg/kg body wt. respectively, were equipotent as compared to the individual extracts in lowering the serum concentrations of T3 and T4 in hyperthyroidic rats. Our findings reveal that some plant extracts in combination may not always prove to be synergistic. It is therefore suggested that Trigonella foenum-graecum and Allium sativum extracts may be used individually and not together in the regulation of hyperthyroidism.
Testofen is great, i'll be posting up some info on it later
again this is in rats and its talkin about a certain extract Trigonella and Allium at 200 and 500 mg/kg not just regular fenugreek that ud buy from now foods for example, i wuld tk that study with a grain of salt.
so for 80kg thatd be 40000mg and 16000mg of these specif extract, i would never try to even take 40g of fenugreek or 16g let alone of those extracts
600mg prop blend, 1200mg a day is what you need to take of Divan, and your whole prop blend is 1200mg, and quercetin is in there, which is cheap and needs to be taken at 500-1000mg a day. Idk...just analyzing.
I agree its a good formula I just find it hard to pimp the divan