WHY??? FD&C Red #40, FD&C Blue #1, FD&C Yellow #5, FD&C Yellow #6

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  1. WHY??? FD&C Red #40, FD&C Blue #1, FD&C Yellow #5, FD&C Yellow #6


    Was about to order HGH UP then saw all these artificial colors on the label... is it just me or do other guys here want the manufacturers to at least slow down with these additives ..... do adult men really need pretty colored capsules....

    some of those powdered pre/post workout drinks would stain my blender bottle!! Bodybuilding is also about health and I really dont think 5 or 6 artificial colors for a capsule based product is really necessary... any thoughts???


  2. I'm sorry you feel this way. Colors help produce appeal, appeal is necessary is someone has never heard of a product before to differentiate it from the millions of others. I know people on the forums know what HGHup is, but many OFF the forums most likely do not.
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  3. My comment was nothing personal against HGH Up or App Nut at all.... was just using that as an example.. there are many more examples

    I admit the caps do look appealing but there are some studies linking these artificial dyes and colors to ADD, behavioral problems etc... just thought there might be more natural alternatives ... again this was NOT a personal swipe against App Nut I just thought it was a shame to have to ingest 5 chemical dyes to get the active ingredients

  4. Quote Originally Posted by mc2000 View Post
    My comment was nothing personal against HGH Up or App Nut at all.... was just using that as an example.. there are many more examples

    I admit the caps do look appealing but there are some studies linking these artificial dyes and colors to ADD, behavioral problems etc... just thought there might be more natural alternatives ... again this was NOT a personal swipe against App Nut I just thought it was a shame to have to ingest 5 chemical dyes to get the active ingredients
    I understand, I do appreciate you bringing it to attention, it is always nice to know how the consumer feels.
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  5. i could do without all the pretty colors and some days i feel like i am going to o.d. on niacin and caffine.
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  6. Quote Originally Posted by mc2000 View Post
    ...I just thought it was a shame to have to ingest 5 chemical dyes to get the active ingredients
    You don't HAVE TO if you're that afraid. Pop open the caps and take just the actives in them. Throw away the caps when you're done.

    Problem solved.

  7. Quote Originally Posted by JJC View Post
    You don't HAVE TO if you're that afraid. Pop open the caps and take just the actives in them. Throw away the caps when you're done.

    Problem solved.
    With capsules you are correct.... what first brought this to my attention was my girlfriend bought Vitamin C tablets and to get 500 mg of Vit C there was also 4 artificial colors, dyes and aspartame... i told her she would probably be healthier NOT taking them...

    I just wish there were healthier alternatives, not saying a few mg's of red dye #4 will kill you but when you start tallying up the amounts from 3 or 4 supplements you may start getting into unhealthy territory over time... Also wish Stevia would be used more often compared to Aspartame and sucralose as I find most powders over sweetened anyway but that will vary widely from person to person

  8. my buddy's allergic to one or two of those artificial colors, so he can't eat or take a sh*tload of products...

  9. IMO I don't care if the pill is pretty...I'm ingesting it anyway and it's all the same when it come out the other end.

  10. Quote Originally Posted by mc2000 View Post
    With capsules you are correct.... what first brought this to my attention was my girlfriend bought Vitamin C tablets and to get 500 mg of Vit C there was also 4 artificial colors, dyes and aspartame... i told her she would probably be healthier NOT taking them...

    I just wish there were healthier alternatives, not saying a few mg's of red dye #4 will kill you but when you start tallying up the amounts from 3 or 4 supplements you may start getting into unhealthy territory over time... Also wish Stevia would be used more often compared to Aspartame and sucralose as I find most powders over sweetened anyway but that will vary widely from person to person
    Ahhhh, finally nice to see somebody who thinks Stevia should be used in place of the sweeteners like Aspartame and Sucralose. Nothing more then sweet poison.

    My same sentiments regarding the artificial dye's and food colorings though, im sure there are natural colors/nature identical colors out there that can be used if the companys wanted to......right?

    I feel a little worried when I have to take 3-4 different products in one month. And yeh i guess another option is to open up the caps, but isn't that something that can simply made unnecessary if companys used natural colorings instead of the dye's and stuff? Not only would it show that they are making a step to protect the consumers health, the health of the very consumers that line the pockets of the companys (dont mean this in a rude way) Just stating as when we Had a family business our grandfather always used to remind us to respect our customers and their health since we had a food store since they are the ones who pay our wages.

    Bump For this thread

  11. come on texas, do you honestly think people buy supps because they are pretty?

  12. Quote Originally Posted by WilteredFire View Post
    Ahhhh, finally nice to see somebody who thinks Stevia should be used in place of the sweeteners like Aspartame and Sucralose. Nothing more then sweet poison.

    My same sentiments regarding the artificial dye's and food colorings though, im sure there are natural colors/nature identical colors out there that can be used if the companys wanted to......right?

    I feel a little worried when I have to take 3-4 different products in one month. And yeh i guess another option is to open up the caps, but isn't that something that can simply made unnecessary if companys used natural colorings instead of the dye's and stuff? Not only would it show that they are making a step to protect the consumers health, the health of the very consumers that line the pockets of the companys (dont mean this in a rude way) Just stating as when we Had a family business our grandfather always used to remind us to respect our customers and their health since we had a food store since they are the ones who pay our wages.

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    Exactly wiltedfire.... it's when you add up 3 capsule based products and 1 or 2 powders on a daily basis that it can reach levels of concern... AND i've seen alot of guys on this board complaining of anxiety and ADD/ADHD issues which some studies have linked these colors and sweetners to ....

    I don't need to consume a pre-workout powder and feel like I'm drinking a liquid pixie stick and then need to soak my blender bottle to get the purple/blue/red coloring off the inside of it... are we grown men or 10 yr old kids???

    Aspartame is a 100% dealbreaker for me and Sucralose is not far behind.. ill pay 2$ more per tub for Stevia and a natural food based coloring

  13. if they keep making it look like kool aid. how long before a kid drinks it and some mom is on opra crying they are targeting kids with this poison. then the man will put a end to supplement.

  14. Actually, companies are probably in the right here. There have been studies (which I have no link to ATM) the show the impact of the placebo effect is stronger depending on the color and size of the pills being used. A big red pill with nothing in it would make a more effective stimulant type of product than a small blue one. So coloring could allow some companies to develop worse formulations than they would otherwise need in order to get the desired effect.

    Chris

  15. Quote Originally Posted by ophidian View Post
    Actually, companies are probably in the right here. There have been studies (which I have no link to ATM) the show the impact of the placebo effect is stronger depending on the color and size of the pills being used. A big red pill with nothing in it would make a more effective stimulant type of product than a small blue one. So coloring could allow some companies to develop worse formulations than they would otherwise need in order to get the desired effect.

    Chris
    That may be understandable, and wether thats true or not doesn't really matter...Whether thats the case or not is besides the point, I think the main issue here the dangers or risk healths that are posed from the artificial dyes/colorings ... The issue of "appearance" and cosmetics, appeal, sexy products etc etc is besides the point. yes its all cute and dandy but the issue is artificial stuff that poses health risks when Natural alternatives could just be used (if these companys wanted to that is, IF)

    What really strikes me is that companys put so much effort into making their formulations, and carrying out extensive research on each ingredients and blends, but then "somehow" ignore the risks that may be involved with the artificial colorings in the pills? I dont quite get how that works. The same goes for the artificial sweeteners. They only have to put in some effort once and for all to find a safe natural alternative to coloring these pills, and then just use them. Its not like they need to spend days upon days on research for the colorings for each and every product they use. Just find a good natural alternative, and end of story I guess?

    If im not wrong there was an issue about the dangers of these colorings with some companys just a few years back in the UK in regards to sweets, the info was available on bbc news' website. Not sure what was decided in the end, but even in this case clear dangers were pointed out.

  16. Interesting peice of info if anybody is interested in reading it...

    FD&C Blue Dye # 1 & 2: Are you eating crude oil for breakfast?

    These dyes are artificial colorings often found in familiar toothpaste brands and a wide variety of other products. Recent studies indicate that FD & C Blue Dyes 1 & 2 can trigger a wide number of behavioral, learning, and health problems. FD&C color dyes may also cause potentially severe allergic reactions, asthma attacks, headaches, nausea, fatigue, nervousness, lack of concentration, and cancer. (From “Formation of carcinogenic aromatic amine from an azo dye by human skin bacteria in vitro” & “Skin discoloration with blue food coloring”)

    Using FD & C Blue Dyes 1 & 2 is just like ingesting crude oil as it too, is synthesized from petroleum. These dyes were originally made from coal tar oil, which is a black, sticky tar by-product of steel making and petroleum distillation, and is a source of numerous complex chemicals. Through repeated human exposure, some of these isolated coal tar components
    were classified as active carcinogens, ultimately leading to government regulations and restrictions.

    Nowadays, coal tar dyes are synthetically engineered rather than extracted from actual coal tar, thereby greatly reducing the possibility of being contaminated with carcinogenic residuals from the coal itself. However, the dyes still contain carcinogenic properties. Over several decades of use, some of these synthetic dyes have come under greater scientific and government scrutiny due to their carcinogenic and mutagenic activity. Because of this, they are still referred to in the industry as “coal tar dyes,” according to the FDA. (From U.S. Food & Drug Administration. “Color Additives Fact Sheet.”)

  17. wow very interesting thanks

  18. Food coloring gets you Jacked and high.

  19. Quote Originally Posted by freezito View Post
    come on texas, do you honestly think people buy supps because they are pretty?
    100% yes, have you ever worked in a supplement shop? Most of the online forum people are smarter than that, but HOLY COW does color and flashyness attract the less educated. That is BSN's whole scheme behind their bottle designs... it proven shiny & colorful things attract human attention.


    Now don't get me wrong, I do agree with you all from the consumer standpoint and I'm sure some natural dyes can be put in place, but I don't know for sure. As stated I will bring this up to the guys and see what they think.
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  20. I blame the movie The Matrix. Do you think it would be as cool as saying "Do you want to take this colorless pills or that colorless pill? Oh crap! I forgot which one I put where!" and just like that he might have taken the blue pill and the movie industry as we know it would have collapsed in oblivion.

  21. i blame dumb people that need bright colors to be entertained.
    l

  22. Interesting dialogue- and I understand the point that is trying to be made- but, in our defense these are all FDA and EPA-Approved additives under CFR 21 Ch. 1 Part 74, and are found in 1000's of different prescription and non-prescription entities, with no proven toxicity (please, no conspiracy theories or things you read on the internet or in a magazine, facts based on scientific research). Here are some links to information where you can educate yourself about the additives, and make your own decisions. I urge you to get the facts before consuming any type of consumer product (including ours):

    http://www.epa.gov/fedrgstr/EPA-PEST...y-12/p3307.htm
    http://ntp.niehs.nih.gov/index.cfm?o...ED9AB34EFB2FAD
    http://ntp.niehs.nih.gov/index.cfm?o...DC9EB66B08F9D1

    As for staining the inside of a shaker cup, a lot of natural products will do that as well- especially quercetin and beta-carotene, and those are non-toxic at reasonable dosages.......
    Dirk Tanis, BA, MSci
    Chief Operating Officer, Applied Nutriceuticals

  23. I agree there is no need for artificial flavors and colors. It's more for bling effect and cost.

  24. Pre-Max by Primordial Performance seems to have possibly started to turn the tide:

    Haven't tried it bit the ingredient profile is how I wish more products looked:

    Ingredients: Organic freeze-dried pomegranate, PeptoPro® brand hydrolyzed casein protein isolate.

    Other ingredients: Natural flavors, malic acid, tapioca flour, silicon dioxide, stevia extract, lou han guo extract.

    Noy soy

    No artificial sweeteners or colors

    No preservatives

    No added sugars

  25. Again this is NOT bashing App Nut .. HGH up was only used as an example, there are dozens more and I am not endorsing Pre-Max as I have never used, only using the ingredient as an example that it can be done
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