A PRE WORKOUT SUPP WITH CREATINE

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    A PRE WORKOUT SUPP WITH CREATINE


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    ******* the heading should read WITHOUT CREATINE*********
    Can anyone suggest a pre WO supp with out the creatine(time to lay off for a while) but can still give focus It doesnt have to be loaded with caffeine either .

    Has anyone come up with their own formula?

    Thanks
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    My favorite, after trying many is white flood, perfect amount of caffiene, no too much.

    But I mix in some bulk AAKG and Beta Alanine, tastes great and your pumps will be intense, also the tingling sensation really helps me with that mind/muslce connection
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    White Flood is a great option, tastes amazing and delivers good clean energy and focus.. Plus the pumps are ridiculous!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by jayts22 View Post
    My favorite, after trying many is white flood, perfect amount of caffiene, no too much.

    But I mix in some bulk AAKG and Beta Alanine, tastes great and your pumps will be intense, also the tingling sensation really helps me with that mind/muslce connection
    White Flood and Green Mag are staples for my son and myself. We also add BA with Citruline Malate.....strength and endurance
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    Controlled Labs WhiteFlood. It is great stuff man! You'll love it.
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    I just tried out a preworkout powder for my first time ever today and it rocked hard!

    Jack3d, it has creatine in it as well. I didn't really believe in those pre workout deals until I just tried that one today and I just hammered everything like crazy.
    I will probably put an extra teaspoon of creatine mono in next time cause I am nearly 260 lbs but for straight up it worked great!

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    thanks for your help
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    Quote Originally Posted by corsaking View Post
    thanks for your help
    No prob bro. Any certain reason for no creatine?
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    Quote Originally Posted by juice3320 View Post
    No prob bro. Any certain reason for no creatine?
    From what ive read it seems its best to cycle it .creatinine levels are high when using this which can put a strain on the kidneys to flush it out.

    And strength wise i think ive got as far as im going to go at the moment.

    Whether that level will be maintained without the creatine i wont know until Im about a week into not using it.

    So i thought of having a break for a couple of months and starting again after xmas/new year.

    Whats your take on this?
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    Quote Originally Posted by corsaking View Post
    Hi


    ******* the heading should read WITHOUT CREATINE*********
    Can anyone suggest a pre WO supp with out the creatine(time to lay off for a while) but can still give focus It doesnt have to be loaded with caffeine either .

    Has anyone come up with their own formula?

    Thanks
    Take 45 min pre-training:
    IGF-2 (dosage dependent on bodyweight)
    Drive (dosage dependent on bodyweight)
    Choline Bitatrate @ 1g
    ALCAR @ 2g
    Tyrosin @ 2 g

    OR

    RPM (can be stacked with another preworkout product or standalone)


    Quote Originally Posted by corsaking View Post
    From what ive read it seems its best to cycle it .creatinine levels are high when using this which can put a strain on the kidneys to flush it out.

    And strength wise i think ive got as far as im going to go at the moment.

    Whether that level will be maintained without the creatine i wont know until Im about a week into not using it.

    So i thought of having a break for a couple of months and starting again after xmas/new year.

    Whats your take on this?
    Creatine cycling is PERSONAL PREFERENCE; it does NOT have to be done! Have you ever had your bloods taken weekly, to see what your creatinine levels are actually like on creatine use? I have, for the last four years. The ONLY creatines that increased my creatinine levels were creatine products that contained CEE; all other creatine products did nothing re changing or increasing creatinine levels!

    If you stop using creatine your muscular creatine will go back down to baseline levels, and you will need time to build it back up again.

    How do you know that you won't increase your strength any more? If you're not then it's time to take a look at your nutrition, supplementation, and training and see what you can change to break past a plateau (if it is there).

    Personally, I have noticed that my strength decreases a little when not using creatine. Then again, I almost never NOT use a creatine product and have noticed this when I have run out and been without for about a week.

    Everything re supplementation is personal preference, though. Creatine needing to be cycled is a myth and whether you do it or not it entirely up to you.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Guejsn View Post
    Take 45 min pre-training:
    IGF-2 (dosage dependent on bodyweight)
    Drive (dosage dependent on bodyweight)
    Choline Bitatrate @ 1g
    ALCAR @ 2g
    Tyrosin @ 2 g

    OR

    RPM (can be stacked with another preworkout product or standalone)




    Creatine cycling is PERSONAL PREFERENCE; it does NOT have to be done! Have you ever had your bloods taken weekly, to see what your creatinine levels are actually like on creatine use? I have, for the last four years. The ONLY creatines that increased my creatinine levels were creatine products that contained CEE; all other creatine products did nothing re changing or increasing creatinine levels!

    If you stop using creatine your muscular creatine will go back down to baseline levels, and you will need time to build it back up again.

    How do you know that you won't increase your strength any more? If you're not then it's time to take a look at your nutrition, supplementation, and training and see what you can change to break past a plateau (if it is there).

    Personally, I have noticed that my strength decreases a little when not using creatine. Then again, I almost never NOT use a creatine product and have noticed this when I have run out and been without for about a week.

    Everything re supplementation is personal preference, though. Creatine needing to be cycled is a myth and whether you do it or not it entirely up to you.


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    appreciate all the advice

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    plasmagen nitrate and ready for war best prewo without creatine. pumps are sick
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    igf-2,anabolic pump, beta alanine (2g preworkout)...........I agree with corsaking though^^, there was a study done on a guy who took creatine for 2 years strait and he checked out with fine no phsyiological issues. If you stay hydrated you should be good to go man...I never experience any "downregulation" of creatine's effects if a dont cycle off.
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