Best AI to run with a test booster

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  1. Quote Originally Posted by Steveoph View Post
    On a related note, Aspirin (ASA) irreversibly acetylates COX. The RBC can't resynthesize it during its lifetime, but people still use aspirin. Irreversible inhibition isn't bad per se; the dose makes the poison
    damn, steveoph. didn't know that!
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  2. Quote Originally Posted by thebigt View Post
    maybe next time you will get your facts straight before you make statements of fact without having a clue. don't come to a gunfight armed with a knife.

    um , weirdo, this isn't a gunfight . it isn't even a fight.


    Quote Originally Posted by soontobbeast View Post
    so, if formestane binds to aromatase, shouldnt it continuously block estrogen? even after cessation? some companies claim that months after use, E levels are lowered.

    yall claim though, that after you stop using form everything is cool so whats the deal? everyone is saying the form attaches to aromatase permanently, but is only active with continued use of form? otherwise after cessation, it[formestane] is just bound, inactive, and just hanging out?

    help me understand.

    and btw, all of the tools saying '' blah blah get your facts straight still haven't explained the mechanism of formestane, nor the long term effects. do you even know?


    blow.

    btw, thx yet again steve. you're always teaching me something.
    For me, the action IS the juice.
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  3. Quote Originally Posted by hardknock View Post
    Here, you will understand this....

    I am going to take an AI, say, suicide inhibitor for the next 4-6 weeks and then run aromatizing cycles for the next 16 years and never have to worry about estrogen because my receptors are bound until i die...

    ^Sounds good, but awfully incorrect...

    ^
    lol



  4. Quote Originally Posted by soontobbeast View Post
    um , weirdo, this isn't a gunfight . it isn't even a fight.





    and btw, all of the tools saying '' blah blah get your facts straight still haven't explained the mechanism of formestane, nor the long term effects. do you even know?


    blow.

    btw, thx yet again steve. you're always teaching me something.
    wait a minute, we are supposed to explain it to you? i was waiting for you to explain it to me, you are the one who claimed to have all the answers.
    WELL DONE IS BETTER THAN WELL SAID

  5. Quote Originally Posted by soontobbeast View Post
    um , weirdo, this isn't a gunfight . it isn't even a fight.





    and btw, all of the tools saying '' blah blah get your facts straight still haven't explained the mechanism of formestane, nor the long term effects. do you even know?


    blow.

    btw, thx yet again steve. you're always teaching me something.
    I am not really sure what you are asking here...

    Do you want to the the MOA of formestane and do you wish to know what the long term effects (say, 5 yrs in the future) are?
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  6. Quote Originally Posted by thebigt View Post
    wait a minute, we are supposed to explain it to you? i was waiting for you to explain it to me, you are the one who claimed to have all the answers.
    thats exactly the response i expected.

    another obviously angry person doing nothing but spamming threads with zero contribution.

    if you would kindly direct me to the post where i claimed to have all of the answers, i would be appreciative.

    i admitted i didn't know all of the details of the long term effects of formestane on estrogen.

    for reference :

    Quote Originally Posted by soontobbeast View Post
    so, if formestane binds to aromatase, shouldnt it continuously block estrogen? even after cessation? some companies claim that months after use, E levels are lowered.

    yall claim though, that after you stop using form everything is cool so whats the deal? everyone is saying the form attaches to aromatase permanently, but is only active with continued use of form? otherwise after cessation, it[formestane] is just bound, inactive, and just hanging out?

    help me understand.
    obviously you are unfamiliar with my question, so i will allow others who may know the answers to step up.

    hardknock appears to not be a similar type idiot, so i would appreciate his take on formestane.

    Quote Originally Posted by hardknock View Post
    I am not really sure what you are asking here...

    Do you want to the the MOA of formestane and do you wish to know what the long term effects (say, 5 yrs in the future) are?

    yes, exactly. thankyou.
    For me, the action IS the juice.

  7. There is no way to give you 100%, perfect, specific, answers on what forme is going to do to your body 5 years from now. That product, specifically, has not been out (not in the otc form) for 5 years. The only thing that one could do is to give you an educated guess after comparing it to other "similar" products which have had the time to be around for that period and have had the people run them.

    As far as SPECIFIC MOA on forme, i would suggest to check the home site ... which are you taking? formex or formestane?
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  8. I meant to type, check the home thread, it's in there.
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  9. It's effect on circulating estrogen levels is temporary, not permanent.

    There maybe an unwanted effect after ceasing usage being a rebound of estrogen elevating levels higher then normal. Your body may try to compensate for the increase in T and low E and create more aromatase enzyme. When you stop the AI this may convert more test to estrogen then normal. This is a potentially nasty side effect I would worry about the most.

    I posted this before but see the attached chart as an example of estrogen rebound (after letrozole).
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  10. Quote Originally Posted by soontobbeast View Post
    i wouldnt use formestane, since it permanently binds to aromatase.


    i would use resveratrol and zinc supplementation.
    you seem pretty sure of your fact's making this statement!!!
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  11. Quote Originally Posted by thebigt View Post
    you seem pretty sure of your fact's making this statement!!!
    actually everything i said in that post is 100% true. and knowing what i know now per 1hp's post, i will stick with that statement.


    Quote Originally Posted by 1HP View Post
    It's effect on circulating estrogen levels is temporary, not permanent.

    There maybe an unwanted effect after ceasing usage being a rebound of estrogen elevating levels higher then normal. Your body may try to compensate for the increase in T and low E and create more aromatase enzyme. When you stop the AI this may convert more test to estrogen then normal. This is a potentially nasty side effect I would worry about the most.

    I posted this before but see the attached chart as an example of estrogen rebound (after letrozole).

    given that info, there absolutely isnt a reason to use this unless you have to, especially not stand alone.

    you have to look at risk vs reward. thanks for the info 1hp.
    For me, the action IS the juice.

  12. Quote Originally Posted by soontobbeast View Post
    actually everything i said in that post is 100% true. and knowing what i know now per 1hp's post, i will stick with that statement.





    given that info, there absolutely isnt a reason to use this unless you have to, especially not stand alone.

    you have to look at risk vs reward. thanks for the info 1hp.
    1hp's facts were based on letro. formestane is very effective and will temporarily reduce estrogen, most people use a tapering off to offset any possible rebound. if used properly you can cut fat/lean out/gain muscle and strength at a greater rate than you could naturally. just like the temporary reduction in estrogen while using formestane, the slight increase you may experience will be short lived. but the gains you can make on a cycle of formestane are easily maintained. 1hp knows better than to lump all ai's together-there is a tremendous difference in formestane and letro.
    WELL DONE IS BETTER THAN WELL SAID

  13. Quote Originally Posted by 1HP View Post
    It's effect on circulating estrogen levels is temporary, not permanent.

    There maybe an unwanted effect after ceasing usage being a rebound of estrogen elevating levels higher then normal. Your body may try to compensate for the increase in T and low E and create more aromatase enzyme. When you stop the AI this may convert more test to estrogen then normal. This is a potentially nasty side effect I would worry about the most.

    I posted this before but see the attached chart as an example of estrogen rebound (after letrozole).
    it is ridiculous to compare letro to formestane. formestane will lower estrogen, letro completely destroys it. you should know this. since the subject was formestane find a graph based on formestane. geez
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  14. Quote Originally Posted by thebigt View Post
    it is ridiculous to compare letro to formestane. formestane will lower estrogen, letro completely destroys it. you should know this. since the subject was formestane find a graph based on formestane. geez
    I just included the letro graph as an example of how possible rebound looks like. I love formestane personally and I do very well on AI's but I have naturally high estrogen. I used to run ATD regularly before which worked even better for me then formestane but formestane is way better on libido and I feel better on it.

    The rebound however I do have on formestane as much as on ATD or whatever means I use to lower estrogen in fact, even on topical DHT/proviron etc, you name it, if it lowers estrogen it will rebound on my ass and agitate something I dont want to be agitated If you dont have that certain issue the rebound is probably not big enough to aggrevate things, but if you do it sucks ass, every time again. I actually have to low dose serm for 2 weeks after AI usage, tapering or not.

  15. Quote Originally Posted by Fat6 View Post
    Courious how you run your Formastane..I like IBE Formex, and Im on TRT 100 mg Cyp......just courious..
    with 100mg of TC you don`t have any issue with estrogen you can use until 150mg-200mg without issue but i don`t know if use Formastane or maybe androstenetrione (6-OXO) is a great idea with TRT.


  16. Quote Originally Posted by 1HP View Post
    It's effect on circulating estrogen levels is temporary, not permanent.

    There maybe an unwanted effect after ceasing usage being a rebound of estrogen elevating levels higher then normal. Your body may try to compensate for the increase in T and low E and create more aromatase enzyme. When you stop the AI this may convert more test to estrogen then normal. This is a potentially nasty side effect I would worry about the most.

    I posted this before but see the attached chart as an example of estrogen rebound (after letrozole).
    with the androstenetrione (6-OXO) the body response is the same?

  17. Quote Originally Posted by MAxximal View Post
    with the androstenetrione (6-OXO) the body response is the same?
    6-OXO specifically doesnt really lower estrogen, it just increases the T:E ration imho

    Anyway no personal experience with running 6-oxo past 3 days, it made me sick to my stomach somehow..

  18. Quote Originally Posted by 1HP View Post
    6-OXO specifically doesnt really lower estrogen, it just increases the T:E ration imho

    Anyway no personal experience with running 6-oxo past 3 days, it made me sick to my stomach somehow..
    but 6-oxo in TD form is absorbed better by the body

    look this study and tell me waht do you think?

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2100070/

  19. Using an AI with a Test booster = Being a small f*ggot with no muscle mass.

  20. Quote Originally Posted by MAxximal View Post
    but 6-oxo in TD form is absorbed better by the body

    look this study and tell me waht do you think?

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2100070/
    Well even worse, estro increased in this study:

    For estrone, 300 mg produced an overall increase of 22%, whereas 600 mg caused a 52% increase (p < 0.05).

  21. Quote Originally Posted by YajV24 View Post
    Using an AI with a Test booster = Being a small f*ggot with no muscle mass.
    What else would you suggest? Steriods?

  22. Quote Originally Posted by jayts22 View Post
    What else would you suggest? Steriods?
    Testosterone Cypionate 100mg weekly

  23. Quote Originally Posted by 1HP View Post
    Well even worse, estro increased in this study:

    For estrone, 300 mg produced an overall increase of 22%, whereas 600 mg caused a 52% increase (p < 0.05).
    bad no?

  24. Quote Originally Posted by MAxximal View Post
    bad no?
    I dont like it. Not what you're aiming for with an AI imho.

  25. Well for you experience formestane users I could use your feedback, I am running 8 weeks testopro and stoked starting next week, I have not had any luck ordering hyperdrol so maybe add some form, I have read that is best to taper so how would this look weeks 1 through 8 as far as sprays go, 2, 3, 4, 6, 6, 4, 3, 2...is this too long or ok, i was just going to go the easy route and pick up controlled labs formestane, 2 bottles should get me through the 8 weeks like this, too much, too little...thoughts???

    Edit: I meant competitive labs formestane, already comes in a transdermal solution

  26. controlled labs formestane?

    I dont know the best dose for you, its different for everybody, especially when stacked with other hormone boosting/altering substances. I would go by feel and keep the dose on the low side. Too low estrogen levels are bad for your health.

  27. Quote Originally Posted by MAxximal View Post
    with 100mg of TC you don`t have any issue with estrogen you can use until 150mg-200mg without issue but i don`t know if use Formastane or maybe androstenetrione (6-OXO) is a great idea with TRT.

    wow-what an uninformed comment. the old timers used to use as much as a gram a day of test with formestane as ai. google formestane and find an article by arthur l rea on formestane. better yet go to article section and get some info from neo's formestane thread. formestane on trt-yes. 6oxo or trione on trt-no.
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  28. Anyone on my formestane sprays...?

  29. Quote Originally Posted by jayts22 View Post
    Anyone on my formestane sprays...?
    2x2 to start.edit-i apologize, i didn't see where you are running testopro/stoked. i would run the testopro/stoked and save the formestane for after.
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  30. Quote Originally Posted by thebigt View Post
    2x2 to start.edit-i apologize, i didn't see where you are running testopro/stoked. i would run the testopro/stoked and save the formestane for after.
    Ok, you don't see any benefit for adding it? I was planning on running ghenerate after testopro and stocked...

    You think the form is too much, I am just looking to put together the most potent stack I can without do a strong PH
  

  
 

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