increasing androgen receptor density palcar or alcar?

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    increasing androgen receptor density palcar or alcar?


    which is better for increasing androgen receptor?
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    Quote Originally Posted by flightposite View Post
    which is better for increasing androgen receptor?
    PLCAR.

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    Quote Originally Posted by UNCnate View Post
    PLCAR.
    Do you have evidence PLCAR is more effective at this specifically then ALCAR?
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    Quote Originally Posted by flightposite View Post
    which is better for increasing androgen receptor?
    PLCAR is the more effective of the two but L-carnitine-L-Tartrate would be the best carnitine for sensitizing one's androgen receptors.
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    Quote Originally Posted by flightposite View Post
    which is better for increasing androgen receptor density?
    L-Carnitine-L-Tartrate.
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    Quote Originally Posted by andrew732 View Post
    PLCAR is the more effective of the two but L-carnitine-L-Tartrate would be the best carnitine for sensitizing one's androgen receptors.
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    L-Carnitine-L-Tartrate.
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    Quote Originally Posted by strategicmove View Post
    L-Carnitine-L-Tartrate.
    where dose one get this
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    Quote Originally Posted by giantbrandon View Post
    where dose one get this
    CustomCapsules.com
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    Quote Originally Posted by giantbrandon View Post
    where dose one get this
    this is what the now foods brand uses.

    L-Carnitine (L-Carnipure®) (From L-Carnitine Tartrate)
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    thanks everone for the help/info.
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    Quote Originally Posted by andrew732 View Post
    PLCAR is the more effective of the two but L-carnitine-L-Tartrate would be the best carnitine for sensitizing one's androgen receptors.
    This.

    There are a lot of carnitine salts out there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by strategicmove View Post
    CustomCapsules.com
    looking on the page, but its only showing me alcar when i type in "carnitine" and nothing comes up when i type thoe whole name. am i missing something or was it removed? unless its l-carnitine fumerate?
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    Ok so I feel like an idiot, what in the world is ALCAR or PLCAR, some type of caritine you say, does this help you getter bigger, shed fat...can someone post a link or something

    Or just give a quick explanation...
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    http://www.nutraplanet.com/product/n...100-grams.html <-alcar

    http://www.nutraplanet.com/product/r...100-grams.html <-plcar

    lol their names and explanations but basically alcar is the base and they play with them to make them more stabile in the body as far as i understand
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    Ok so these desciptions make these things look like miracle drugs, anyone have any personal experiences they can share???
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    Quote Originally Posted by tnubs View Post
    http://www.nutraplanet.com/product/n...100-grams.html <-alcar

    http://www.nutraplanet.com/product/r...100-grams.html <-plcar

    lol their names and explanations but basically alcar is the base and they play with them to make them more stabile in the body as far as i understand
    Carnitine is the base...the propionate or Acetate is the ester attached, which changes the tissue affinity and properties. In addition, once the ester is removed INSIDE of the body, each ester has its own effects.
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    so tartrate vs fumerate on androgen receptor density? similar or is tartrate going to be a lot better?
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    I have a 3-parter so thanks, in advance. What would be the better ester to maximize the use of exogenous androgens? The second part of the question would be, what would the protocol look like? For example, would you supplement with one of the Car's before the androgen cycle or would you cycle them concurrently? Dosages to elicit AR response?
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    Quote Originally Posted by tnubs View Post
    so tartrate vs fumerate on androgen receptor density? similar or is tartrate going to be a lot better?
    Tartrate is the only form I have seen an actual study on. The rest are just extrapolated out.

    My bet is still on PLCAR, based on years of self-experimentation with various forms. Combination is also effective.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bionic View Post
    I have a 3-parter so thanks, in advance. What would be the better ester to maximize the use of exogenous androgens? The second part of the question would be, what would the protocol look like? For example, would you supplement with one of the Car's before the androgen cycle or would you cycle them concurrently? Dosages to elicit AR response?
    This is still a new area...see the post above.

    I use 2-2.5 grams twice a day at all times, especially during cycle. It makes a FINE primer pre-cycle, helps to maintain response during cycle, and re-primes AR Post Cycle.
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    Golden info! Thanks for the time!
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    nutra should get some LCLT in stock *cough cough* lol

    but dsade, you noticed similar benefits from plcar? ill have to grab some tomorrow. i usually dont go anywhere except nutra because its down the road and i hate shipping.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tnubs View Post
    nutra should get some LCLT in stock *cough cough* lol

    but dsade, you noticed similar benefits from plcar? ill have to grab some tomorrow. i usually dont go anywhere except nutra because its down the road and i hate shipping.
    I am VERY pleased with my last cycles, incorporating PLCAR, Trione, 11-OXO and Nutra's Divanex.

    I won't go as far as say that it was as good as an Androvirgin, but it was pretty damn impressive.
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    Man this looks complicated...so you want to run on cycle...what if you stay more natural like me, is there benefits just taking it???
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    Quote Originally Posted by jayts22 View Post
    Man this looks complicated...so you want to run on cycle...what if you stay more natural like me, is there benefits just taking it???
    Yes...especially if you are taking any Test boosters.

    Put it this way - when your body released Test into your body, there are two "receptors" that compete for binding - SHBG and Androgen Receptors.
    AR binding results in the effects you WANT, while SHBG (VERY simple explanation...it's turning out more complicated than this) renders test ineffective.

    A combination of a Test booster, an Aromatase inhibitor, SHBG inhibitor, and increase in AR density/sensitivity (via PLCAR or other Carnitine ester/salt) will result in faster progress.
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    i was just gona use it with some divanex lol (dsade, how many caps or mg a day did u use?)
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    Quote Originally Posted by tnubs View Post
    i was just gona use it with some divanex lol (dsade, how many caps or mg a day did u use?)
    I take two in the morning, upon waking (when test levels spike) and another 2 right before bed.
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    OK, so if I am starting a cycle of testopro, stoked and hyperdrol, you would recommend PLCAR, to increase androgren receptor sensitivity...where do i purchase?
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    Quote Originally Posted by dsade View Post
    I take two in the morning, upon waking (when test levels spike) and another 2 right before bed.
    hey Dsade, how long before cycle would you start taking Carnipure?
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    Quote Originally Posted by WIULifter View Post
    hey Dsade, how long before cycle would you start taking Carnipure?
    4-6 weeks.
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    Ok I guess I am ordering some PLCAR
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    Quote Originally Posted by jayts22 View Post
    Ok I guess I am ordering some PLCAR
    There's also some evidence that Carnitine derivatives have an effect on binding affinity (+) of ligands in alpha and beta adrenoreceptors, which means it should vastly enhance the effectiveness of E/Clen + Alpha-yohimbine stacks.
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    may run this during my 3 week 11oxo 1gram a day cut!
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    Quote Originally Posted by dsade View Post
    4-6 weeks.
    crap a little too late but ill start taking this asap!
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    took two 00 sized caps of RPN's PLCAR pre workout (1.7g) and had an amazing workout. not sure if it was related, but we will see with time. didnt really notice energy right off the bat but i felt a little more concentrated and not as worn down after my big sets
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