Do you really have to take choline with piracetam.

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  1. Do you really have to take choline with piracetam.


    Hello:

    I've just bought some piracetam, and reading around on the internet, it seems that piracetam is often advised to be taken with choline citrate or 'AGC'.

    a) Is this really necessary? I don't want to keep buying these gross tasting products that I have to fit into my daily regimen.
    b) Do I have to use choline citrate or AGC, or can I just eat an egg? What about lecithin (although I would rather just eat an egg)?
    c) Can any choline source be adequately converted into the type useful in conjunction with piracetam?

    Thanks.

  2. Smile Yes


    To get the most of Piracetam you'll need some form of choline. It increases its effectiveness and you won't get any bad headaches (which happens if you don't take choline)

    I was using lecithin and eating eggs but recently switched to Alpha GPC and noticed a huge difference!! My mood instantly improved and I don't get mentally tired like I used to.

    If you're on a budget - get triple strenght lecithin from NOW and if you can afford it - buy some alpha GPC

    wish Nutraplanet started carrying alpha GPC in bulk....

    Good luck!
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  3. Thanks.

  4. There are other sources of choline too, one being DMAE. AGPC is kinda pricey

  5. Choline Citrate by Primaforce 500 grams, ONLY $19.99!!!

    http://www.nutraplanet.com/product/p...500-grams.html
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  6. Choline citrate or bitartrate are plenty fine for this use.
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  7. So what are the benefits of the choline piracetam stack?

  8. Quote Originally Posted by bmw8591 View Post
    So what are the benefits of the choline piracetam stack?
    In my experience, rapidity of thought. Enhanced creativity, mixed with an enhanced analytical side ( a bolstering of both, rather than enhancement of one hemisphere at the expense of the other), improved memory formation and recall, and - depening on how you interepret the above - increased motivation to work and create.
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  9. Piracetam & Choline Citrate Stack (1 + 1 Units) ONLY $45.99!!!




    Primaforce Piracetam 500 grams

    * SUPPORT MEMORY AND CONCENTRATION
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    (2-oxo-1-pyrrolidine acetamide) is a natural derivative of GABA (Gamma Amino Butyric Acid) and is lab tested for potency and purity. Piracetam supports memory and concentration, overall well-being, cardiovascular health, and helps reduce stress and fatigue.

    Primaforce Choline Citrate 500 grams


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  10. i just use lecithin, works for me

  11. Quote Originally Posted by login211 View Post
    i just use lecithin, works for me
    Just received my bulk piracetam from NP. I have lecithin caps 1200 mgs. Will this work? If yes, how many mgs / day of lecithin do I take?

  12. Quote Originally Posted by luclyluciano View Post
    Just received my bulk piracetam from NP. I have lecithin caps 1200 mgs. Will this work? If yes, how many mgs / day of lecithin do I take?
    You should take 4-6 per day per 2-3 grams of Piracetam.
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  13. Quote Originally Posted by dsade View Post
    You should take 4-6 per day per 2-3 grams of Piracetam.
    Thanks dsade....I assume you mean 4-6 caps. How does regular lecithin compare with alpha-GPC. Some say they noticed a big difference over reular lecithin or choline.

  14. Quote Originally Posted by luclyluciano View Post
    Thanks dsade....I assume you mean 4-6 caps. How does regular lecithin compare with alpha-GPC. Some say they noticed a big difference over reular lecithin or choline.
    Alpha-GPC is amazing...very potent with effects beyond simply a source of choline. It has an energizing effect, as well as increasing focus.

    I ended up including it in my intraworkout formula, and was VERY pleased with this workout enhancement/Recovery aspect.
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  15. I agree that Choline + Piracetam is necessary, however when I dose them together I get nauseus- so I take my Piracetam in the morning, and Alpha-GPC later in the day.

  16. Quote Originally Posted by dsade View Post
    Alpha-GPC is amazing...very potent with effects beyond simply a source of choline. It has an energizing effect, as well as increasing focus.

    I ended up including it in my intraworkout formula, and was VERY pleased with this workout enhancement/Recovery aspect.
    That Alpha gpc is expensive stuff! 150 grams at $66! If I dosed at 6 grams per day that is 25 days per container.....is this right?

  17. You don't need to take that much!!! if you decide to go with alpha GPC 500mg/day is plenty! It's the lecithin that you need 6 grams/day but alpha GPC is much stronger.

  18. Quote Originally Posted by rottie76 View Post
    You don't need to take that much!!! if you decide to go with alpha GPC 500mg/day is plenty! It's the lecithin that you need 6 grams/day but alpha GPC is much stronger.
    Correct.

    I reserve Alpha-GPC for my intraworkout drink.
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  19. Quote Originally Posted by rottie76 View Post
    You don't need to take that much!!! if you decide to go with alpha GPC 500mg/day is plenty! It's the lecithin that you need 6 grams/day but alpha GPC is much stronger.
    Good to know! What's the differrence between Alpha GPC and Choline Citrate. On BN there are mixed reviews which is better.

  20. Anyone know if Piracetam works best with food or empty stomach.

  21. I would have to say skip the piracetam and go with aniracetam. I got some aniracetam to take with some of the Slim Xtreme that I got (because they took it out of the formula with the later runs) and found that on it's own it does have some very nice anxiolytic effects. Talkative, social, etc.. and great cognitive effects. Never took choline with it and never had any problems..

    I will say that it is night and day different between piracetam and aniracetam.

    Aniracetam is not too expensive either..

    My 2 cents

    K-

  22. Quote Originally Posted by bubsnt3 View Post
    I would have to say skip the piracetam and go with aniracetam. I got some aniracetam to take with some of the Slim Xtreme that I got (because they took it out of the formula with the later runs) and found that on it's own it does have some very nice anxiolytic effects. Talkative, social, etc.. and great cognitive effects. Never took choline with it and never had any problems..

    I will say that it is night and day different between piracetam and aniracetam.

    Aniracetam is not too expensive either..

    My 2 cents

    K-
    I smell a new product were going to have to request! Is Aniracetam a natural chemical like piracetam, or something people made? Isn't it a altered version of a natural supplement, that way that creatine ethyl ester isn't quite natural?

  23. Quote Originally Posted by kingdong View Post
    I smell a new product were going to have to request! Is Aniracetam a natural chemical like piracetam, or something people made? Isn't it a altered version of a natural supplement, that way that creatine ethyl ester isn't quite natural?
    It is part of the racetam family only much more potent than piracetam. Everyone used to make it including primaforce, 1-fast 400, etc.. but they all quit.. Probably the fact that it is a prescription drug in europe had something to do with it?? It is legal to sell and posses so I am not sure of the exact reason everyone quit selling it.. You can still find it pretty cheap though, NRx is a good brand of it. It would be nice if nutra would pick up the bulk powder..

    Here is the wikipedia link..
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aniracetam

    Excerpt
    Aniracetam (Draganon, Sarpul, Ampamet) is a nootropic compound of the racetam family purported to be considerably more potent than piracetam. It is lipid soluble and has possible cognition enhancing effects. It has been tested in animals extensively, Alzheimer's patients and temporarily-impaired healthy subjects. It has shown potential as an anxiolytic in three clinical animal models. Sold in the US as a dietary supplement while used in Europe as a prescription drug.



    K-

  24. You just take more piracetam. No-one in the noots game is that fused with aniracetam. There is a small band of dedicated followers but not many.

    GPC choline - not at all clear. It might get knocked back to straight choline.

    CDP choline is the one to use, but its expensive. This does have scientific backing and in the noots game its a massive following. I forget its exact long term benefit but its associated with dopamine, something increasing dopamine receptor density. I can't remember exactly.

    Aniracetam - don't think more $$ is more effective. Weight for weight yes, but not efficacy for efficacy.

    Anyway last post for this year. See ya later...

  25. Quote Originally Posted by matthias7 View Post
    You just take more piracetam. No-one in the noots game is that fused with aniracetam. There is a small band of dedicated followers but not many.

    GPC choline - not at all clear. It might get knocked back to straight choline.

    CDP choline is the one to use, but its expensive. This does have scientific backing and in the noots game its a massive following. I forget its exact long term benefit but its associated with dopamine, something increasing dopamine receptor density. I can't remember exactly.

    Aniracetam - don't think more $$ is more effective. Weight for weight yes, but not efficacy for efficacy.

    Anyway last post for this year. See ya later...
    I disagree. There is a reason that it is a prescription drug in europe. Also the anxiolytic properties of aniracetam have been shown in 3 scientific tests where those same properties have not been demonstrated for piracetam. There is a reason that AX included aniracetam instead of piracetam..
    There is no way to get all of the effects of aniracetam from piracetam.. Maybe the memory/cognition effects at a higher dose of piracetam but that is not the only reason that aniracetam is better.. It has some similar properties but is a different chemical..


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